using floats for
the wrong purpose?
Thanks,
Stephen
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From: Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Expanding height of left column to fill space
G'day again
Once upon a time
Stevio wrote:
I disagree with the point about revisiting the design just because CSS
is not up to the job. The web is a visual medium and we should be able
to design pages to look how we want, with the condition of making sure
they are readable and suitable for those accessing them.
i found
Dwain wrote:
Stevio wrote:
I disagree with the point about revisiting the design just because CSS is
not up to the job. The web is a visual medium and we should be able to
design pages to look how we want, with the condition of making sure they
are readable and suitable for those accessing
Does anyone agree that we are abusing the use of CSS (square
pegs in round holes?) with the way we force it to do things that it perhaps
was not really designed for?
Maybe to an extent, but not nearly as much as using tables for layout
is abusing tables. They were never meant to be used as
- Original Message -
From: Kenny Graham
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Expanding height of left column to fill space
Does anyone agree that we are abusing the use of CSS (square
pegs in round holes?) with the way we force
- Original Message -
From:
Kenny
Graham
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:36
PM
The web is a visual medium and we should be able
to design pages to look how we want, with the condition of making sure
they are readable and suitable for those accessing
Stevio wrote:
Interesting yes. But two points. One is that it assumes the user knows
how to change their font size. I suspect many do not. The default layout
has to be the best one, as over 90% of the time that is what will be
viewed and it will not be changed by the user.
i'll agree, most
Stevio wrote:
When you create columns using CSS, you are creating a table-like look,
are you not? Is CSS3 going to reinvent the wheel?
sure you are creating a table-like look, but there is not as much markup
with css as there is with tables, in most cases.
with html and css you don't have
Stevio wrote
When you create columns using CSS, you are creating a table-like look, are
you not?
Not at all. When you create columns you create a columnar layout, in the
same way a newspaper is a column layout, not a tabular layout.
The physical appearance may be the similar, but the implied
Hello all.
I think we are getting a little off track here. We know we can do this with css:
div#left {
width:50%;
float:left;
border-right:1px solid #000;
display:inline;
}
div#right {
width:50%;
float:left;
border-left:1px solid #000;
margin-left:-1px;
display:inline;
}
This makes two
Stevio said:
Does anyone agree that we are abusing the use of CSS (square
pegs in round holes?) with the way we force it to do things that it
perhaps
was not really designed for? Are floats really meant to be used for column
design? If they are then why are there oodles of pages on the net
Bert Doorn said:
(e-govt - is that the real world? LOL)
It's Utopia for an idealist like me =)
If it's your own site and you are happy to have a different layout, sure.
Or if you can convince the client that your way is better. But if the
client wants a particular look, We should give
Christian Montoya said:
Now, the problem everyone seems to have is that one column just *has* to
be a different color. Isn't this a little superficial?
Yes! This is what I'm talking about, albeit less succinctly. Design
differently.
cheers
Terrence Wood.
As far as I know, background images are still the only way.
It's probably possible with _javascript_, but even if it is, I wouldn't
want to put presentation in the behavioral layer. CSS should really
really get some vertical formatting, and soon.Is the best way still to use background image, or
What is the best way to expand a left floated navigation column to fill up
the height of the available space? This column has a different colour, but
the right column will usually be bigger.
Is the best way still to use background image, or does anyone have a
better way of doing it?
Clive Walker wrote:
What is the best way to expand a left floated navigation column to
fill up
the height of the available space? This column has a different
colour, but the right column will usually be bigger.
Is the best way still to use background image, or does anyone have a
better
Stevio wrote:
What is the best way to expand a left floated navigation column to
fill up the height of the available space? This column has a
different colour, but the right column will usually be bigger.
Is the best way still to use background image, or does anyone have a
better way of doing
Clive Walker wrote:
What is the best way to expand a left floated navigation column to fill
up
the height of the available space? This column has a different colour,
but the right column will usually be bigger.
Is the best way still to use background image, or does anyone have a
better
Stevio wrote:
What is the best way to expand a left floated navigation column to
fill up the height of the available space?
I really like this script from Project Seven, which also keeps the footer at
the bottom of the viewport:
From: Vicki Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stevio wrote:
What is the best way to expand a left floated navigation column to
fill up the height of the available space?
I really like this script from Project Seven, which also keeps the footer
at the bottom of the viewport:
Stevio wrote:
What is wrong with using a simple 1 row 2 column table to layout a web page
when using DIVs and CSS requires hacks and JavaScript to work in the way
required?
Why is using CSS in this case the better of two evils? Surely we are
abusing CSS in just the same way we are abusing
Stevio said:
What is wrong with using a simple 1 row 2 column table to layout a web
page when using DIVs and CSS requires hacks and JavaScript to work in
the way required?
Why is using CSS in this case the better of two evils? Surely we are
abusing CSS in just the same way we are abusing
G'day
we have created an expectation of how a design will *visually* render
in a browser.
Quick reality check What do most people use when visiting a
website? What do clients who pay the bill want?
The whole concept of using tables for layout is flawed
...
adds unneccessary weight
Bert Doorn said:
Quick reality check What do most people use when visiting a
website? What do clients who pay the bill want?
Once upon a time it was NN4, now it's IE6, and tomorrow who knows? And
that's the point of designing to web standards. As for what the client
wants, I say it's two
G'day again
Once upon a time it was NN4, now it's IE6, and tomorrow who knows? And
that's the point of designing to web standards. As for what the client
wants, I say it's two of: good, fast, cheap.
Yep. And some of those have difficulty with non table based layouts :-)
However, I doubt
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