Nick Lo wrote:
During development when referring to HTML (and perhaps CSS) with a
client do you use the term code or the more pedantically correct,
though perhaps less recognised, term markup ?
My own preference is:
XHTML -- mark-up
CSS -- styling
JavaScript, PHP, etc... -- code
What's in a name? Read this and find out:
http://computerworld.com/departments/opinions/sharktank/0,4885,97840,00.html
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Going to Merriam-Webster:
Code, n.
1 : a systematic statement of a body of law; especially : one given
statutory force
2 : a system of principles or rules moral code
...
5 : a set of instructions for a computer
Markup, n.
1 : an amount added to the cost price to determine the selling price;
Well, speaking again as a print designer, markup is a typesetting industry term meaning applying styles (yes style tags) to text (and has been for a very long time).
Used to be, you'd mark up text to send to the typographer. They'd apply that markup to text in whatever technology was employed at
Marilyn asks:
Was CSS developed first for XSLT/XML and then applied to HTML? Or vice
versa?
SGML existed first and DSSSL was used to style, but for a nice history see:
http://www.webreference.com/authoring/style/sheets/cssseparate/chap1/1/index
.html
Mark W.
Thanks, Mark. That helps me understand my own confusion. The term markup has a profusion of uses! So all of the 'mls (html, xhtml, xml, sgml) are considered markup languages, but the markup is of content, not presentation and CSS is the presentation style language (which designers of yore called
Was CSS developed first for XSLT/XML and then applied to HTML? Or vice
versa?
CSS was developed for HTML. Hakon Lie, co-autor of CSS, doesn't like
XSL-FO.
http://people.opera.com/howcome/1999/foch.html
SGML existed first and DSSSL was used to style
Wow, compared to DSSSL CSS is s easy and
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:40:08 -, Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Back to code vs markup:
For me code is reserved for languages that aspire to be turing-complete.
These at least should have data storage (variables) and flow control
instructions (if, loops or goto).
Everything
Rimantas Liubertas wrote:
And if XML is data,what is inside XML tags?
Anyway, this is waaay off-toppic.
A discription of the data.
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Rimantas Liubertas wrote:
price currency=EUR20/price
So price and /price constitute data.
20 - somehow describes the very same data that is: price ... and /price.
While, yes, 20 can be said to describe price, it is more accurate to
say that price and EUR describes 20.
Title: Re: [WSG] Code or Markup
In the document editing and proofing field (obviously related to the typesetting industry as its natural precursor in the workflow chain), markup is the word used to describe an editors or a proofreaders copy editing symbols. Corrections are made by hand using
hmm. well, depends greatly on my client. my definitions from thier
standpoint (for a majority of my clients)
code - something I know is there, that makes things work, that I don't
understand and am paying you to deal with
markup - What, you mean like price markup or what?
Food for thought -
On 2/12/04 1:33 PM, Nick Lo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This seems a silly question but it bounces about enough that whilst
discussing it with a client I thought I'd put it to the list.
During development when referring to HTML (and perhaps CSS) with a
client do you use the term code or the
Eh, having never done this professionally, I'll throw out my opinion.
As advocates of 'web-standards', we should be using the correct terms.
However, I would guess (without experience, mind you), that
personally I would use both at first, and explain the difference, then
stick to referring to
Well having moved into this from print markup is really more document
related. A word document is marked up when you specify margins,
headers, bold, etc., it is not coded (excluding the really pedantic
fact that these days there is application code doing the work).
Nick
I tend to use 'code',
code - something I know is there, that makes things work, that I don't
understand and am paying you to deal with
markup - What, you mean like price markup or what?
Gotta agree with Jonathan, markup in the agency business is what the client
is going to get charged above and beyond. They may
Bryan -
not say this is wrong in any way, in fact, I do try and boost my
clients understanding each and every time - but, I do tend to find a
great deal of I don't really care as long as it works along the way.
I suppose it rates right up there with asking clients to bring the
computer tower
I suppose it rates right up there with asking clients to bring the
computer tower in... yes, the hard drive
Heh, good point. I do over-the-phone ISP tech support, and I've said
that a number of times. I stand corrected :)
-Bryan Loeper
To me the answer is simply that HTML is code, as is PHP, as is Perl etc.
CSS is also code.
Markup is a sub-set of code: code intended to be rendered by a
user agent, etc.
...and we can distinguish between that and the extra costs the agency
adds by referring to the latter as mark-up.
jh
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