Re: [WSG] accessibility question: same link phrase more than once

2004-09-23 Thread Cameron Muir
I think I like #3 as well. You could probably get the CMS to insert the title of the post with a string: $title and it wouldn't require content creators to do any extra work - it'd just insert whatever they used for the title of the post. What about for another common link which is 'Comments'?

Re: [WSG] accessibility question: same link phrase more than once

2004-09-23 Thread Justin French
On 23/09/2004, at 2:28 PM, Lea de Groot wrote: On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:10:24 +1000, Justin French wrote: 3 read morespan on 'title of my post'/span then hide the span with display:none; from modern browsers, while still having entirely accessible source No, wait - surely the image replacement

Re: [WSG] accessibility question: same link phrase more than once

2004-09-23 Thread Cameron Muir
Okay, see 4 different techniques here: http://design.quagma.net/test1.html 1. just the title attribute 2. display none 3. visibility hidden 4. left -5000px I like #4 cameron. Jake Badger wrote: You could use the one of the techniques that current image replacement tricks use: either set the width

[WSG] introduction

2004-09-23 Thread john
Hello, everybody. I've been reading the list for a day or two, and I'm very excited to be part of the growing number of designers/developers who are taking a stand for standards. A little bit about me: I am originally from Seattle, Washington, USA, but moved to Portugal in April, 2003, in order

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ian Fenn
James wrote: I found the Flash satay markup worked fine on every browser I tested on with every Flash player version I could find. Unfortunately that's not my experience. :-( All the best, -- Ian ** The discussion list for

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ian Fenn
I wrote: Unfortunately it seems the best solution is to use JavaScript to detect the existence (and correct version) of flash and then use document.write to deliver the appropriate object or embed. Only safari seems to have a problem. Actually it looks like I got that wrong. Safari is

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ian Fenn
Mark wrote: Unless there is a major reason to be XHTML then I normally use HTML 4.01 - even if only on the pages with flash included. That's what I'm going to do now :-( Thanks for the help everyone! All the best, -- Ian ** The discussion

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Mike Foskett
Just checked it in: PC: Opera v7, Firefox v1, IE v6. Mac: Safari v1, firefox v1, Netscape v7, IE v5.2 All displayed just fine. I'd remind you to replace some of the alt tags though (intro1.jpg etc). And perhaps consider adding house doctor to the initial h1. mike 2k:)2 marqueeblink e-mail:

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ian Fenn
Hi Mike, Just checked it in: PC: Opera v7, Firefox v1, IE v6. Mac: Safari v1, firefox v1, Netscape v7, IE v5.2 All displayed just fine. Great - many thanks! I'd remind you to replace some of the alt tags though (intro1.jpg etc). The client controls those. I'll remind them to make their

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Patrick Lauke
I'd remind you to replace some of the alt tags though (intro1.jpg etc). The client controls those. I'll remind them to make their alt tags accessible. They're attributes...ATTRIBUTES...not tags! Sorry, bit of a rant. Feel better now ;) Patrick

[WSG] Help fix Firefox bug and win a Firefox t-shirt

2004-09-23 Thread XStandard
This is a bit off topic (sorry) but we need your support once again to make XStandard for Mozilla/Firefox even better. The guys at Mozilla Foundation have been real helpful, but Firefox still has a bug that makes integrating plug-ins like XStandard a bit of a kluge (compared to IE). So we

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ian Fenn
Patrick wrote: The client controls those. I'll remind them to make their alt tags accessible. They're attributes...ATTRIBUTES...not tags! I know that... You know that... but to a client, they're alt tags :-) All the best, -- Ian **

[WSG] I've got my viking helmet on and warming up for the aria

2004-09-23 Thread Ted Drake
Hi Everyone Opera is definately not in my scope of expertise. I've fixed the vast majority of my css bugs and now I need to fix a couple Opera problems. Here are some screen shots from browsercam. I hope you can view them. http://www.browsercam.com/projects/99910/1643010.jpg

Re: [WSG] introduction

2004-09-23 Thread hercules apollo
hey, welcome to the club!happy transition to css2. - Original Message - From: john [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:27:46 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] introduction Hello, everybody. I've been reading the list for a day or two, and I'm very excited to be part of

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread David McKinnon
Reiterating Ben's comments and Zeldman's summary of the problems with the Satay method in Designing With Web Standards, that's exactly the problem with the Satay--sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. On some browsers, on some machines, sometimes. I think Zeldman's comment is how many

RE: [WSG] CSS rules quirks database

2004-09-23 Thread David McDonald
The CSS-discuss Wiki is a very good wealth of CSS information that is always being updated: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=FrontPage Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS rules quirks database Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:07:29 -0700

Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Kevin Futter
I thoroughly agree with David here. Web standards are a means to an end and not an end in themselves. The way I see it, the point of web standards is to a) separate form from content and both from behaviour; b) make all content equally accessible to the widest possible audience; c) provide a

Re: [WSG] CSS rules quirks database

2004-09-23 Thread Tony Aslett
Hi Paul, I created a list of CSS properties and browsers that support them http://www.csscreator.com/attributes/ It still needs a little work refining and adding content. The idea was to get the community (members of the CSS Forum) behind it and have them add to the content. Once logged in you

Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:43:31 +1000, Kevin Futter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thoroughly agree with David here. Web standards are a means to an end and not an end in themselves. The way I see it, the point of web standards is to a) separate form from content and both from behaviour; b) make all

Re: [WSG] CSS rules quirks database

2004-09-23 Thread Paul Novitski
At 05:00 PM 9/23/2004, Tony Aslett wrote: I created a list of CSS properties and browsers that support them http://www.csscreator.com/attributes/ Excellent work, Tony. Are you storing this in an SQL database? I'd like to see some other layers of information added to a database such as yours.

Re[2]: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ric Shreves
Hello Rimantas, Well said and, IMHO, absolutely correct. -- Best regards, Ric Water Stone mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] visit our sites: www.waterandstone.com www.researchlaunchpad.com www.balitravelportal.com Friday, September 24, 2004, 8:26:21 AM, you

Re: [WSG] CSS rules quirks database

2004-09-23 Thread Tony Aslett
Paul Novitski wrote: At 05:00 PM 9/23/2004, Tony Aslett wrote: I created a list of CSS properties and browsers that support them http://www.csscreator.com/attributes/ Excellent work, Tony. Are you storing this in an SQL database? Thanks Paul, Yes it's stored in a MySQL database. I'd like to see

Re: [WSG] Can I use frames AND css?

2004-09-23 Thread John Horner
At 10:40 AM +1000 24/9/04, Daniela Meleo wrote: He wants me to change the site so that it uses frames. The local nav would be in the left frame the global nav content divs in the right. At this point I want to stop you and say surely you must be able to avoid having frames and use some kind of

RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ian Fenn
Ric wrote: Hello Rimantas, Well said and, IMHO, absolutely correct. Anyone notice Zeldman's recently announcement of happycog's redesign of the KC Chiefs site? He wrote that the website is standards-compliant but added a disclaimer that read: Attention XHTML nit-pickers: We are still in the

Re: [WSG] Can I use frames AND css?

2004-09-23 Thread Daniela Meleo
John Horner said: That's not the case, luckily. Can you say how you came to that understanding? John , that's a relief. I (in a slight panic) found this article http://www.sitepoint.com/article/frames-frame-usage-explained/3 around the sixth paragraph, it notes that head info shouldn't be

Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Ian Fenn wrote: I wrote: Anyone notice Zeldman's recently announcement Sorry for the typo. It's 2.40am here in the UK. Time to get some shut-eye. Kids nowadays...no staying power. ;) Patrick _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used

Re: [WSG] Can I use frames AND css?

2004-09-23 Thread John Horner
I raised SSIs, which are beyond my skill to develop I can absolutely assure you that they aren't, really! but for various reasons that won't be an option. Just in case that's another misconception, would you like to say what the reasons are?

Re: [WSG] Can I use frames AND css?

2004-09-23 Thread Cameron Muir
Daniela Meleo wrote: I raised SSIs, which are beyond my skill to develop, but for various reasons that won't be an option. ? include(whatever.html); ? That's all you have to do, (and change the extension from .html to .php). You'll need a web server with php enabled, I don't see why that would

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Ian Fenn
Patrick wrote: Kids nowadays...no staying power. ;) Don't be so sure ;-) -- Ian ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration,

Re: [WSG] Can I use frames AND css?

2004-09-23 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On Friday, Sep 24, 2004, at 10:40 Australia/Sydney, Daniela Meleo wrote: NOW, the client has decided that after handover he will need the ability to easily add new pages whenever he needs to (as additional topics not yet know become required.) He's an open source techie type and will hand code

RE: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread Greer, Ben
This thread has been a bit of deja vu for me. I have been discussing this problem with an external developer who uses Satay, who doesn't seem to believe that it is flaky. He has tested it across many browsers/OS's and hasn't seen the problem, and therefore had difficulty believing there is a prob.

RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread David McKinnon
At the risk of over Zeldmanning the discussion... My previous comment was probably (ok definitely) influenced by Zeldman's August 12 posting Silence and Noise http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0804b.shtml The original idea behind the Web Standards Project which really kicked off the whole web standards

Re: [WSG] Embedding Flash

2004-09-23 Thread James Ellis
David McKinnon wrote: I've used Ian Hixie's method, because it seems to be the least problematic. David One of the central tenets of good coding is that comments are for comments, code is for code. It's bad practice to put code into comments. Comments should not be interpreted by any software,