Hi all,
I guess I should add my 2 cents as well :)
re: Russ' comments --
1. Once you have removed all margin and padding, this method relies on you
specifically styling the margins and padding of each HTML element that you
intend to use. On smaller sites where you may only need to style
I think this is a strong argument for introducing this
technique to others. The most oft-cited reason for not
using semantic HTML is the perceived control that can
be achieved by using tables/a lot of divs.
By removing this mystery dimension from the size of
elements, it could help people to
The following Web Standards Articles are written by some of the best
designers/coders in the business and are sure to help all web designers
whether new to CSS/XHTML or quite experienced with problems commonly
faced when using CSS:
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Hi Andrew,
Thanks for posting the article in the first place, I should've known
the writer would've been on this list!
Anyway, I like the idea and I have a suspicion it'll work pretty well
for my needs. I just tried it in a site I'm working on and it actually
didn't break much and in fact I
Pleased you like them, Michael ;o)
Mike Pepper
Accessible Web Developer ()
www.seowebsitepromotion.com
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Nick Lo wrote:
I was just reading the article excerpted below and was curious as to
how many on the list have used this technique of initially setting all
padding and margins to 0 and if so how successful was it?
I remember reading a similar suggestion a while back (I don't remember
where)
I just wanna know your view on ditching IE on purpose?
Commercial suicide :o)
Mike Pepper
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I think it is a very dangerous decision to make! IE is still by far the most
common browser and you might be right that clients could get a bit nervous
when they see you are anti-IE. It took me such a long time to ditch NN 4,
but now that I have done it it just feels great! Dropping IE will take a
Nah, they're different :o) Not as good ;o)
Mike Pepper
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I did say not commercialy, but on my personal site...
Altho my worries is that it could effect my commercial work :S
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:29 , Mike Pepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
I just wanna know your view on ditching IE on purpose?
Commercial suicide :o)
Mike Pepper
Accessible Web
Doesn't ditching IE run contrary to the whole idea of accessibility and
using Web standards? The point isn't to get people to switch from IE,
but rather, to design in a way that will reach the broadest audience for
years to come.
~john
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Dr. Zeus Web Development
On 18 Oct 2004, at 12:50, Rick Faaberg wrote:
Hi all,
Who can I send a suggestion to at W3C that they make their web badges
a lot
more subtle (and smaller) so that I would actually use them on my
sites?
I work for the W3C and I've heard your suggestion.
While I'm not the badges guy, I know they
On 18 Oct 2004, at 13:37, Ryan Christie wrote:
You're free to make your own W3C badges to place on your site. Most
people I see, incl. myself, just use text links in the footer. W3C
won't hunt you down for infringement or anything.
There are definitely some copyright issues in using the logo
well, IE is the bane of my life, and i wish everybody would just see
the light and switch to Firefox :)
but, when it comes down to it, the Web is about communication.
commercial or personal, if your site falls apart for insert large
percentage here of your audience, you're not communicating very
On 18 Oct 2004, at 21:10, Mark Harwood wrote:
Not commercialy, but personaly on your own blog sites are other little
community
sites?
I've just redesigned my blog (www.phunky.co.uk) and in doing so i
decided i was
not going
to touch some of the minor issuse that IE has with my site, although
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:58 , john [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
Doesn't ditching IE run contrary to the whole idea of accessibility and
using Web standards?
It does, but im not really ditching IE im more just refusing to add the fix's for
th PNG-LOGO
and sorting the margin/padding issuse with the
One of the pillars of Web Standards is that content should be Best Viewed With Any
Browser. This principle is fundamental to Web Standards.
We actually adhere to this principle when we use the CSS import directive to hide
CSS from Netscape 4 so that it's poor support for CSS is not going to
Make sure to grab my served as 'application/xhtml+xml' where available
badge ;)
http://www.splintered.co.uk/about/
Patrick
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re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively
[latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.]
I've been thinking on and off all day and I'd like to do an ignominious
about-face on the zeroing margin and padding technique.
My initial concerns were that:
1. could be more verbose
2. could confuse less-savy future developers.
The verbose issue is easy to overcome. You can zero margins and
Mordechai Peller wrote:
what I would like to know is Why?
ok, but the What wasn't quite clear, hence my question.
Try:
div
img src= /
p#151;Test/p
/div
Ok, see what you mean now. Well, for the Why I think the only
explanation that I can think of is you may be experiencing a cascade
failure one
I remember reading a similar suggestion a while back (I don't remember
where) which included {border : 0; font-site 100.1%; line-height : 1.6;}
(actually, other than being there, I don't remember what the line height
was, but I suppose it doesn't matter for this thread).
You may have been
Mark
There are quite a few articles now in the mainstream media that expose
the Skoda like qualities of IE, maybe you should link to these? Sydney
Morning Herald ICON section quite regularly rates Opera and Moz as the
best available. PC User Australia had a big article Why you shouldn't
use IE
Instead of going negative, how about going positive? Most people don't know
that they have a choice of browsers and they're scared that if they install
a different one, that the computer will break.
To help people understand that the browser world is wider than IE, I put
this linked notice on my
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:35 , Christie Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
Why is this site best viewed with FireFox? Try it and experience the
difference.
I do like this approach, and even tho i do link to Browserhappy.com and
spreadfirefox i
think the NON-IE bit should be reworked to promote the
I still keep getting these digest emails even though I unsubscribed. Please
take me off your list. Thank you.
Jim Trick
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Hi, I just JOINED your group last night
and now find my email box bomb-barred with to
many messages / how do I stop them and still remain a member of your group. I simple want to
read the messages from your boards. Is that what the Digest Mode does, because
that is not clearly
Will do Mike. Thanks for the constructive criticism. I'll delete the
full screen.
Good suggestion.
Shane Helm
On Oct 16, 2004, at 6:43 PM, Michael Allan wrote:
On Saturday, October 16, 2004, at 03:13 PM, Shane Helm wrote:
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
If others have solved
russ - maxdesign wrote:
You may have been thinking about CSS-Discuss where it came up recently:
And Webmasterworld:
Thanks Russ. It must have been the css-d thread since looking back I see
that I read it and since the Webmasterworld reference was my postI
guess I got the line height addition
Hi,
just do this. Send an email from your subscribed account to
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the BODY (not subject) and it will be so. And you will just receive one
email every few days or so containing every mail.
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I still keep getting
Hi all
Im having a bit of a problem with long urls in
a 3 column web layout. I want the urls to be in my right column, but they are
to long and wont wrap properly because they are a single word.
I have found the following css rules, but the ie tag
doesnt validate.
Is there any way to
Hi all,hope this isn't out of scope, both on
css-d and wsg:
On the template I'm working on, I decided it would
be cool to give it a pda friendly version, for the target public would be kind
of eager for new technologies.Following the ALA article on taking your site
into the smaller screen,
Is there any way to force word wrap, even on single words such as urls
in a valid cross browser friendly way?
I think the short answer would be no. Depending on the exact need you
have, you could set a specific width and overflow:hidden to the block
containing the url, in which case they'll
On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 22:14, Dean Jackson wrote:
..
Would you intentionally build a car park that stopped Toyotas from
entering?
If there was a lot of Toyotas parking in my building and being that they
all leaked oil in my car park and often their drivers scratched other
peoples cars because
Chris Blown wrote:
Did I mention I hate analogies. ;)
as in your expansion of the analogy you're blaming *users* of IE, rather
than the developers that purely cater for IE and/or the programmers at
MS who made the leaky car, i'd say it's not too accurate anyway ;)
Patrick H. Lauke
That worked! Sweet!
My last problem seems also to be only in IE on the PC. Between the top
button that says SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER and the 12px tan border
of the header bar there is a green space where those 2 graphics aren't
lining up. Got any reason why this is a problem?
.shadowbox .content {
}
Should fix it. I didn't test it, so I could be wrong. But that's the
syntax from the original example.
Cheers.
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:27:03 -0600, Richard Spence
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Hello All:
I was just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on why the drop
Hello Isabel Santos,
Please use or convert your HTML to XHTML. XHTML is universal in the
sense because small devices can easily read XHTML. This is so because
XHTML has properly nested tags.
Regards,
Dilip Samuel
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:45:34 +0100, Isabel Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Isabel,
I hope you read my previous mail. Here is the XHTML version of your
HTML document with just one error which of course can be rectified by
you. The file is sent in the form of an attachment. Let me know your
opinion as to how it works now.
Regards,
Dilip Samuel
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004
Isabel Santos wrote:
It seams to me that the pda is trying to render the normal css
(principalquasar40.css) and not the pda's one - 01pda.css (where the
central column should occupy all the screen not showing any body
background and widths should be mutch smaller).
Unfortunately this is almost
Hi Casey,
While answering your question I am also answering some other
enquiries I have had recently so it's of interest to all (otherwise I'd answer
off list).
Joining WSG simply means joiningthe WSGmailing list.
That's all there is (well, you can also add resources to the website as a
no secret handshake?! I'm outta here!
;oP
Richard
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Hi Casey,
While
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