[WSG] Re: Multiple language usability query

2006-02-07 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Sarah Peeke (XERT) writes: Hi Philippe, Japanese (and other East-Asian) language support is installed by default on OS X. Not so on Windows side of things (it comes with the install discs as an extra package). I've been told that Firefox/Win tries to display the text nevertheless. If

Re: [WSG] Re: Multiple language usability query

2006-02-07 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Feb 7, 2006, at 5:08 pm, Andrew Cunningham wrote: Also worth noting, with CJK text, in the absence of css specifying a font, the browser will chose the font based on langauge of the text. If the language of the text is not indicated then IE will try ot use a Japanese font to display CJK,

Re: [WSG] Re: Multiple language usability query

2006-02-07 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
(hence, out of curiosity, if someone would be kind enough to send me a screenshot of the file I posted earlier, that would be appreciated). I don't have a screen shot, because I have just installed the language pack, however I can confirm that my Win PC showed ?? where the text should have

Re: [WSG] DIV Target

2006-02-07 Thread Ian Anderson
Samuel Richardson wrote: If you want to load entire web pages embedded into the current page you will have to use the iframe, if just want to change simple text/html within a div then you will have to use the innerhtml property (or use this method that came up on delicious this morning:

[WSG] Opera Labs and Opera 9 Preview 2

2006-02-07 Thread Justin Carter
Hi Everyone, I just noticed Opera have opened the Opera Labs page and they now have Opera 9 Preview 2 available for testing. The site has minimal content at the moment (after all it just opened) but there is a short speil on Opera supported web standards and the direction they are heading in:

[WSG] google bans bmw

2006-02-07 Thread Brian Cummiskey
found this interesting-- http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20060206/tc_pcworld/124621 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting

Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-07 Thread Terrence Wood
Justin Carter said: It truly is frustrating when FAQ pages hide everything with invisible DIVs. As already mentioned it makes Ctrl-F useless (which I personally find very annoying), and it also makes me click a whole bunch of useless + symbols if I want to read more than one question on the

Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-07 Thread Al Sparber
From: Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up] Justin Carter said: It truly is frustrating when FAQ pages hide everything with invisible DIVs. As already

Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-07 Thread Terrence Wood
a marketing-oriented person would probably eat you for lunch I doubt it. I spent over a decade in marketing =) Besides, a solution for getting topics above the fold has already been discussed in this thread. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The

Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-07 Thread Al Sparber
From: Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up] a marketing-oriented person would probably eat you for lunch I doubt it. I spent over a decade in marketing

Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-07 Thread Terrence Wood
Al Sparber said: I spent 20 years designing and building some of the most upscale food markets in America. So let's call it a push and move on, eh? Your foo beats mine Al =) kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-07 Thread Al Sparber
From: Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up] Al Sparber said: I spent 20 years designing and building some of the most upscale food markets in America.

Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-07 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Terrence Wood wrote: a marketing-oriented person would probably eat you for lunch I doubt it. I spent over a decade in marketing =) Besides, a solution for getting topics above the fold has already been discussed in this thread. Which one are you referring to? A serie of anchor links at the

Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-07 Thread Terrence Wood
Thierry Koblentz said: AFAIK, it has been mentionned but not discussed; Please. I don't think it is better in term of usability/accessibility, and what about semantic? Why not? And what about semantics? I believe the document is more coherent with the answers following the questions rather

Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-07 Thread Al Sparber
From: Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] See above. I'm not sure there was agreement that a definition list is the semantic answer. What about headings for Q's and paras for A's. The heading can be viewed in a document outline (by some browsers), and it avoids the whole Q/A is not a

Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-07 Thread Joshua Street
On 2/8/06, Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's another approach you're sure not to like :-) http://www.projectseven.com/csslab/swapclass/outline/ Hmm... it'd be nicer if there weren't anchor tags in there/the H3 were used directly. Not being amazingly JavaScript saavy, is there a

Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-07 Thread Terrence Wood
Al Sparber said: Here's another approach you're sure not to like :-) http://www.projectseven.com/csslab/swapclass/outline/ Presume you are talking to me? Don't get me wrong Al, I love the interactive aspect of the net and that is, in fact, what drew me to it in the first place. I'm not going

[WSG] suckerfish menu and position:relative woes

2006-02-07 Thread Peter Ottery
hiya, i dont like flyout menus as much as the next guy/girl but i have a situation that requires them, so i'm using the son of suckerfish menu [1]. i'm having a problem with adding position:relative to items below the menu, and those elements appearing on top of the flyout menus in IE. i've

[WSG] Re: Multiple language usability query

2006-02-07 Thread Andrew Cunningham
Philippe Wittenbergh writes: On Feb 7, 2006, at 5:08 pm, Andrew Cunningham wrote: Firefox Win takes the fonts as specified in the browser preferences (ContentFont colors advanced). It is actually somewhat more complicated than this. firstly the unicode range will indicate what font

Re: [WSG] suckerfish menu and position:relative woes

2006-02-07 Thread Samuel Richardson
Pete, have you tried setting the z-index on them? Peter Ottery wrote: hiya, i dont like flyout menus as much as the next guy/girl but i have a situation that requires them, so i'm using the son of suckerfish menu [1]. i'm having a problem with adding position:relative to items below the menu,

Re: [WSG] suckerfish menu and position:relative woes

2006-02-07 Thread Peter Ottery
Samuel wrote: have you tried setting the z-index on them? yeah, tried all sorts of z-index combinations (that i could think of) but still cant get it working. theres a short note at the bottom of that example page i put together... ** The

Re: [WSG] suckerfish menu and position:relative woes

2006-02-07 Thread Samuel Richardson
I see you set a -1 z-index, what happens if you set say 10 and 100? (Are negatives supported in the z-index?) Peter Ottery wrote: Samuel wrote: have you tried setting the z-index on them? yeah, tried all sorts of z-index combinations (that i could think of) but still cant get it working.

Re: [WSG] suckerfish menu and position:relative woes]

2006-02-07 Thread Ric Raftis
Peter Ottery wrote: hiya, i dont like flyout menus as much as the next guy/girl but i have a situation that requires them, so i'm using the son of suckerfish menu [1]. Personally I don't like the suckerfish menus much. I found these much more to my liking and you might like to have a look

Re: [WSG] suckerfish menu and position:relative woes

2006-02-07 Thread Kenneth Fraser
Hi Pete, I had the same issue before and had to add one line to the js code for the drop-downs to hover on top. The extra line is commented. Hope this helps, Kenneth startList = function() { if (document.alldocument.getElementById) { navRoot = document.getElementById(nav); for (i=0;

Re: [WSG] suckerfish menu and position:relative woes

2006-02-07 Thread Peter Ottery
success! housecleaningSam wrote:-- Are negatives supported in the z-index? yes, more about z-index at pages like: http://www.echoecho.com/csslayers.htmRic wrote: -- Personally I don't like the suckerfish menus much.--I found these much more to my

Re: [WSG] suckerfish menu and position:relative woes

2006-02-07 Thread Kenneth Fraser
No problem Pete, glad to be of service. The fix comes from an article by Nick Rigby that I found while trying to figure out the same problem you had. You can read the article at http://www.nickrigby.com/article/25/drop-down-menus-horizontal-style-pt-3. The line of javascript is mentioned by

Re: [WSG] Opera Labs and Opera 9 Preview 2

2006-02-07 Thread heretic
I just noticed Opera have opened the Opera Labs page and they now have Opera 9 Preview 2 available for testing. The site has minimal content at the moment (after all it just opened) but there is a short speil on Opera supported web standards and the direction they are heading in:

Re: [WSG] cool FAQ page [follow up]

2006-02-07 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Terrence Wood wrote: Thierry Koblentz said: AFAIK, it has been mentionned but not discussed; Please. Please what? I'm sorry but AFAIK when this option came up nobody mentionned its pros and cons. Is it de facto *the* option because 2 people on this list said so? If I remember correctly, there

Re: [WSG] Opera Labs and Opera 9 Preview 2

2006-02-07 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
heretic wrote: That said, I've noticed that despite Opera's commitment to standards, the standards community really only gets excited about Firefox/Safari (depending on your platform). Beats me why. Me too. :-) Maybe the standards community prefer to ride ponies instead of real race-horses?

Re: [WSG] Opera Labs and Opera 9 Preview 2

2006-02-07 Thread Joshua Street
On 2/8/06, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heretic wrote: ... Maybe the standards community prefer to ride ponies instead of real race-horses? ;-) Must be something to do with keeping nearer the earth. Opera spoils web developers, and makes Internet Explorer (and Firefox, to a lesser

Re: [WSG] Opera Labs and Opera 9 Preview 2

2006-02-07 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/8/06, Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/8/06, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heretic wrote: ... Maybe the standards community prefer to ride ponies instead of real race-horses? ;-) Must be something to do with keeping nearer the earth. Opera spoils web

Re: [WSG] Opera Labs and Opera 9 Preview 2

2006-02-07 Thread heretic
Maybe the standards community prefer to ride ponies instead of real race-horses? ;-) Must be something to do with keeping nearer the earth. Opera spoils web developers, and makes Internet Explorer (and Firefox, to a lesser extent) that much more shocking ;-) hehehehh ahhh dear, we're the