[WSG] click on select element triggers block popup in IE7

2007-09-09 Thread Tee G. Peng
I am testing a form on IE7 standalone, when I click the dropdown selection option, it triggers the 'popup blocked' message. Can you confirm if this only happen in IE7 standalone hacked version. I can't find any info from google search with phrase like so : click on select element triggers

Re: [WSG] click on select element triggers block popup in IE7

2007-09-09 Thread Choan Gálvez
Hello. On 09/09/2007, at 9:22, Tee G. Peng wrote: I am testing a form on IE7 standalone, when I click the dropdown selection option, it triggers the 'popup blocked' message. Can you confirm if this only happen in IE7 standalone hacked version. I can't find any info from google search with

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Designer
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Designer wrote: http://www.nga.gov/feature/rothko/classic1.shtm. Using this arbitrary example, I still maintain that a site of images such as any of these will be of no more value to a blind user for having alt tags, other than to point out that 'there is a picture

Re: [WSG] lack of 'lang' attribute fails WAI

2007-09-09 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Tee G. Peng wrote: Hi Andrew, I am curious, is there guideline from WCAG that state there should only be one language for the title? WCAG states that changes in language need to be identified. However, this can't be done in title, as that element can only carry PCDATA, so no inline elements

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Designer wrote: I think we are just splitting hairs now. I agree (to a degree), but I wanted to paint it out with a smaller brush :-) a) I personally do use alt tags, every time : (In other words, I agree with you in principle) Principles are good when aiming for best practices, but are

Re: [WSG] click on select element triggers block popup in IE7

2007-09-09 Thread E Michael Brandt
I am testing a form on IE7 standalone, when I click the dropdown selection option, it triggers the 'popup blocked' message. I presume this would only happen when testing locally and not when the site is from a remote server. -- E. Michael Brandt www.divaHTML.com divaPOP :

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread XStandard
Designer (Bob) wrote: Those images just cannot be appreciated by someone who cannot see them. No amount of descriptive prose will mean anything to to a blind reader. I've never heard such shit in my life. Designer (Bob) wrote: I personally do use alt tags, every time : but I am aware of

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi, There are no situations where use of the alt tag is useless - the null tag means that the name of the image file is not read out. What may be useless is inappropriate positioning and the wording of the alt tag. Here's aa example of coding where appropriate positioning with meaningful alt

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Bob: No amount of descriptive prose will mean anything to to a blind reader. Vlad: I've never heard such sh*t in my life. I've been following this thread with interest, and I have to agree with Vlad (if not with his exact choice of words...). I was waiting to see what kind of response

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Stuart Foulstone
On Sun, September 9, 2007 2:56 pm, Vlad Alexander wrote: On your home page: http://www.rhh.myzen.co.uk/gam/index.php You've made your company logo, an information image, into a decorative image: img src=opening/graphics/gaminternet.gif alt=/ Actually logos are essentially visual

RE: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Michael Yeaney
I find it interesting that everyone responding to this thread has failed to mention one very important aspect of any design-for-accessibility debate: Until you actually test it with a target audience/persona (i.e., someone who actually **is** blind), we're all just guessing at the relative

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Nick Gleitzman wrote: Language is what we have as our primary tool of communication. There are others, of course - Rothko's paintings speak volumes (even if the man himself lets them speak, choosing enigmatic reservation about their meaning) - but to presume that because someone is blind,

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
On 09-Sep-07, at 8:54 PM, Hassan Schroeder wrote: Nick Gleitzman wrote: Language is what we have as our primary tool of communication. There are others, of course - Rothko's paintings speak volumes (even if the man himself lets them speak, choosing enigmatic reservation about their

RE: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Stuart Foulstone
On Sun, September 9, 2007 4:33 pm, Michael Yeaney wrote: I find it interesting that everyone responding to this thread has failed to mention one very important aspect of any design-for-accessibility debate: Until you actually test it with a target audience/persona (i.e., someone who

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Rahul Gonsalves wrote: 'An abstract painting by Jackson Pollock, done on a 8 x 4 feet sheet of fiberboard, with thick amounts of brown and yellow paint drizzled on top of it, forming a nest-like appearance.' Interesting -- I'd have never used the term nest in relation to that piece. And

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Michael Yeaney wrote: I find it interesting that everyone responding to this thread has failed to mention one very important aspect of any design-for-accessibility debate: Until you actually test it with a target audience/persona (i.e., someone who actually **is** blind), we're all just

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Designer
Hassan Schroeder wrote: Nick Gleitzman wrote: Language is what we have as our primary tool of communication. There are others, of course - Rothko's paintings speak volumes (even if the man himself lets them speak, choosing enigmatic reservation about their meaning) - but to presume that

Re: [WSG] lack of 'lang' attribute fails WAI

2007-09-09 Thread Andrew Cunningham
On Sun, September 9, 2007 3:33 pm, Tee G. Peng wrote: On Sep 8, 2007, at 2:40 AM, Andrew Cunningham wrote: Hi Andrew, I am curious, is there guideline from WCAG that state there should only be one language for the title? Hi Tee, since Patrick has answered it, I'll jump to your last

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Designer wrote: I notice that no-one has taken up the challenge of providing an emotional alt tag . . . :-) We have emoticons already, but I think they are optional... ;-) Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List

Re: [WSG] click on select element triggers block popup in IE7

2007-09-09 Thread Tee G. Peng
Thanks for the confirmation, Choan. Although I don't use IE7 standalone anymore, I remember this behaviour. The IE developer toolbar works in IE7 too. The developer toolbar works in IE7 standalone, the issue is, I haven't have a need to use the toolbar in IE 7 in the last 8 months,

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Nick Gleitzman
On 10 Sep 2007, at 1:24 AM, Hassan Schroeder wrote: Perhaps then you (or anyone adhering to this view) can supply, as an example, a useful description of the cited Rothko? Or maybe one of Jackson Pollock's works? ('No. 5, 1948' might be good) And since art is often intended to prompt an

Re: Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread nroper
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Re: Re: Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread nroper
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Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Nick Gleitzman wrote: As for your second paragraph: you miss the point. No, *you* miss *my* point; I said: And since art is often intended to prompt an emotional reaction on the part of the audience, write that description so the audience has an opportunity to connect emotionally with the

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Nick Gleitzman
Hassan Schroeder wrote: You can get a certain amount of information from a photocopy of a grilled cheese sandwich, but it makes rather a dry meal :-) Absolutely. But this whole thread started with the issue of whether alt text should be optional in HTML5. A photocopy may be a poor,

Re: [WSG] Investigating the proposed alt attribute recommendations in HTML 5

2007-09-09 Thread Hassan Schroeder
Nick Gleitzman wrote: A photocopy may be a poor, 2-dimensional representation of the real thing, but a blank piece of paper isn't anything at all... Which is more useful? Depends on whether you're just curious what a sandwich looks like or you're starving, I guess -- if the latter, the