Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-07 Thread James Ellis
On Wed, 7 May 2008 02:35:51 pm Elizabeth Spiegel wrote: It can be great for getting immediate feedback without reloading a page e.g. building a customised bag at Timbuk2: http://www.timbuk2.com/tb2/products/bagbuilder Elizabeth Hi Yes, but that kind of functionality can easily be done

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-07 Thread Sam Sherlock
debugging is easier and the license fee is a lot lower :) its all to easy to end up a blind alley with flash also flash often allowed designers to ensure cross platform display Opera 9.5 looks great - very slick and dragonfly will be amazingly advantageous :) 2008/5/7 James Ellis [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-07 Thread Michael MD
some BIG usability NO-NOs I see on a lot of flash sites. intro pages (one of my pet hates - I HATE waiting ... and I'm sure I'm not the only one! - they are pointless and should be BANNED! - if you reallly *must* then make sure there is a non-flash way to skip it) animations in navigation -

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-07 Thread Sam Sherlock
iPhone can do better does'nt support flash :) 2008/5/7 Michael MD [EMAIL PROTECTED]: some BIG usability NO-NOs I see on a lot of flash sites. intro pages (one of my pet hates - I HATE waiting ... and I'm sure I'm not the only one! - they are pointless and should be BANNED! - if you

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-07 Thread Matijs
Only resort to flash if what you want is impossible with plain old html and some javascript thrown in. And if you use flash, make sure there's an alternative. I think this page: http://www.schiphol.nl/toekomst/ ...is a good example of just that. Just turn off javascript and see what happens.

[WSG] Centered Horizontal List in IE7

2008-05-07 Thread IceKat
Hey, Sent this out, wondering if anyone has any pointers??? IceKat Original Message: Hi everyone, I'm really hoping someone can help me with this bug. I've known about it for a while but am hoping that now that IE7 has been around for a while that a smarter person than me will

Re: [WSG] Centered Horizontal List in IE7

2008-05-07 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
On 07-May-08, at 4:18 PM, IceKat wrote: I have a list menu which is supposed to be horizontal and centered. Does this work for you? http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal27.htm Best, - Rahul. *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-07 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/05/05 23:15 (GMT+0300) Michael Persson apparently typed: What do you people, professionals and hobby standardists think about full flash websites?? OK for people whose priorities lie in form rather than substance, but generally no small impediment for many others. Flash players do not

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-07 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 7, 2008, at 12:03 AM, Susie Gardner-Brown wrote: people think it doesn’t matter what a site looks like as long as it is accessible. Sadly true. But in fact what a site looks like can have a huge impact on its accessibility. I think that notion stems from a rather misplaced notion

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-07 Thread Michael Persson
As i started this thred i will also close it and sum the results. I find that we, professionals on wen development are mostly negative to the full flash publishing and also have a attitide that standards are able to implement. What do we do when a client wants flash and dont really understand

Re: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-07 Thread kevin mcmonagle
Michael Persson wrote: Do we still want the money to produce their website or do we say no because we are web standard freaks and would never touch such a bad usability and accessibilty project dirty money hahaha.. Well would we...?? If all they want is eye candy give it to them and take

Re: [WSG] Centered Horizontal List in IE7

2008-05-07 Thread Scott Limmer
Perhaps try it without using the list. Center the links within a div and apply left and right padding to them to ensure adequate spacing. Menu should stay centered and will cater for changing number of menu items. On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 8:48 PM, IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Sent this

Re: [WSG] Firefox skips dropdown and multi-select list with tabbing (?)

2008-05-07 Thread Scott Limmer
Using the tabindex attribute on form elements should allow you to specify the tab order. On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 9:57 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd just noticed that Firefox skips the dropdown and multi-select list with tabbing. Anybody knows if there is a workround? Thanks! tee

RE: [WSG] Centered Horizontal List in IE7

2008-05-07 Thread Thierry Koblentz
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IceKat Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 3:48 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Centered Horizontal List in IE7 Hey, Sent this out, wondering if anyone has any pointers??? Using a

Re: [WSG] Firefox skips dropdown and multi-select list with tabbing (?)

2008-05-07 Thread David Dorward
On 7 May 2008, at 14:54, Scott Limmer wrote: Using the tabindex attribute on form elements should allow you to specify the tab order. This shouldn't help, and is likely to add confusion if there is anything on the page other than form controls. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/

Re: [WSG] Firefox skips dropdown and multi-select list with tabbing (?)

2008-05-07 Thread David Dorward
On 4 May 2008, at 12:57, tee wrote: I'd just noticed that Firefox skips the dropdown and multi-select list with tabbing. Anybody knows if there is a workround? I assume you are using a Mac? Go into the OS X System Preferences, then Keyboard Mouse, then Keyboard and set Full keyboard

RE: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-07 Thread Webb, KerryA
Michael MD wrote: also - don't assume everyone's browser has flash player. eg: mobile phones - some of the more recent models *might* have a mobile flash player ... which btw might handle flash 6 content! - ok maybe an iPhone can do better .. but honestly how many of those do you see about?

Re: [WSG] Centered Horizontal Menu

2008-05-07 Thread David Hucklesby
On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:36:55 +1000, IceKat wrote: I have a list menu which is supposed to be horizontal and centered. Not a problem right? Wrong. There are three problems. 1. IE7 doesn't use display: inline very well when text is enlarged or made smaller. (just try it and see the mess it

Re: [WSG] Centered Horizontal Menu

2008-05-07 Thread Adam Martin
reply On Thu, 08 May 2008 14:42:40 +1000, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:36:55 +1000, IceKat wrote: I have a list menu which is supposed to be horizontal and centered. Not a problem right? Wrong. There are three problems. 1. IE7 doesn't use display:

RE: [WSG] Full flash websites

2008-05-07 Thread Michael Persson
Yeah, I think we all are aware of these small problems and i have faced them also producing standard websites for a french company that had IE5.5 a a standard browser... haha We cant expect other non professionals to have the same settings, latest installations and technical experience as us. I