On 11/18/05, John Allsopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Very interested in people's thoughts,Interesting and challenging idea John. I'll be keeping a keen eye on the site as it develops.
We've tried for years to organise a similar ideal within our own crew
here and while I'm sure a pattern exists, I
I'd have to agree with Patrick. Poking into the DOM and adding the
autocomplete attribute is clean enough for the sort of thing you are
doing.
I look at it this way.. the markup is what the web server sends. The
DOM gives us hooks into the document once its loaded into the browsers
memory. I'm
Thanks John,
Really appreciate your work on this.
Cheers
Chris B
We tested DW8 recently, Contribute 3 also uses this latest renderer.
Its CSS support is a big improvement over the previous version.
It still has a way to go yet. We picked up some issues with negative
margins and other issues regarding floats. But if you keep these little
issues in mind when
G'day
Came across this the other day;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_Internet_Explorer
Cheers
Chris
Form input elements that are - alternative - content within an
object should not be submitted to the webserver via a post or
get, I agree with Vlad, its a bug.
However whether the element is available from the DOM is another
question. Once the document strcuture has been passed by the browser
and
Fluid, simple, clean, valid, green yet warm, big fonts ( like big hair )
Nice work Andy. I like it.
On 9/19/05, Martin Heiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on Montag, 19. September 2005 at 11:01 you wrote: CSS or you can change the HTML output to
become span class=redsome_text/span and define .red in the CSS as well. Simplified example maybe but it explains things a little bit.But you mix structure
On Wed, 2005-09-07 at 12:39, Al Sparber wrote:
From: John Allsopp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So the use of tables appears to be associated strongly with invalid
documents (and not only through poorly formed documents, but also
through the use of invalid attributes associated with td and tr
On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 11:38, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Check out the example page in firefox.
http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/76/
I can tab fine through that page. Using FF v1.0.4 under Linux.
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Just a quick question..
I am wondering what techniques people would use to layout a paragraph of
text with two right floated images and have the text wrap around the
images as shown.
The main thing is the two images need to both be bottom aligned to each
other ;)
I have a couple of ideas, but
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Just a quick question..
I am wondering what techniques people would use to layout a
paragraph of
text with two right floated
I'd be pointing you towards styling fieldset and label elements
rather than using dl or table
Good examples
http://www.themaninblue.com/experiment/InForm/
Cheers
Chris
On Tue, 2005-04-05 at 13:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good evening all,
I know there's two schools of thought regarding
Kay Smoljak wrote:
What other options are there, apart from complex, expensive CMS setups
(or forgetting about standards)?
I've had a lot of success with Macromedia Contribute. You can pick up
a copy for around AUD $220 from Harvey Norman or Harris Technology, it
totally
how about
a img {
...
}
though i'd rather see
#nav a img {
...
}
See for more info ---
http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/css_tutorial/selectors/descendant_selectors.html
Cheers
Chris
RMW Web Publishing wrote:
I trying do solve a selector (see
Um.. Sorry I see what you are trying to do now.. I read that a bit too
fast the first time ...
Good question!
Chris Blown wrote:
how about
a img {
... }
though i'd rather see
#nav a img {
...
}
See for more info ---
http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/css_tutorial/selectors
This doesn't appear to have been posted to the list yet. Sorry in
advance if it has.
http://news.com.com/Reversal+Next+IE+update+divorced+from+Windows/2100-1032_3-5577263.html
Good news for web standards?
Chris
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On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 10:03, John Allsopp wrote:
Being the eternal naysayer that I am, I'll say, um, nay.
On Wed, 2005-02-16 at 11:35, Bruce Morrison wrote:
Also it should be noted that IE7 will only be for Longhorn and XP SP2.
Older IE browsers will be with us for a while yetor
/chiediloapippo/Engineering/iarchitect/shame.htm
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I hesitantly suggest a good place for this discussion would be on Justin
French's Interface list.
http://lists.indent.com.au/mailman/listinfo/interface
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See http
the
point through at the moment.
I strongly believe that Microsoft are fully aware of their strangle hold
and until something like Firefox becomes a significant threat, they will
sit by idle without a care in the world and claim that IE is everything
their customers wanted.
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is not
applied. [1]
I wonder if switching stylesheets would force an update?
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and will hopefully enable us to create far more accessible
websites in the near future [3].
The more developers out there who know about vxml and its associated
technologies will help it move into the mainstream [4].
Take a look..
Cheers
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[1] Working Draft - http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD
application, but for most Linux users the pre-built Flash plugin is fine
and MM provide builds for most browsers. Opera under Linux for example
can happily use the firefox flash plugin.
Regards
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[1] http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net
[2] https://player.helixcommunity.org
to make it blue all you do is change the class name to from
red to blue, pretty cool eh?
*shivers*
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Thought this might be a worthwhile link for WSG members.
Please send flames off list ;)
Microsoft says Firefox not a threat to IE
http://news.com.com/Microsoft+says+Firefox+not+a+threat+to+IE/2100-1032_3-5448719.html
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Its a damn shame really.
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On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 22:14, Dean Jackson wrote:
..
Would you intentionally build a car park that stopped Toyotas from
entering?
If there was a lot of Toyotas parking in my building and being that they
all leaked oil in my car park and often their drivers scratched other
peoples cars because
here, very much hit the nail on the head.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2004Sep/0074.html
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On Thu, 2004-08-19 at 16:22, Justin French wrote:
Can anyone either:
- suggest an alternate way to achieve this, or
This might help
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/methods/attachevent.asp
if (anchor.attachEvent) anchor.attachEvent(onClick, function_name);
On Sat, 2004-08-14 at 23:44, James Ellis wrote:
What I've done is probably not done often but it is worth considering.
Firefox ships with its minimum font size turned off.
I also use the very same setting.
It can be a common adjustment for people who use XFree86 or X.org under
unix ( and
entering sensitive data into their browser without the closed
little pad lock icon appearing ;)
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post request. Or does it?
One example is www.americanexpress.com.au which happily accepts members
password from the ( http ) front page and posts to a https server.
I guess the next question is can you post a clear text request to a
https server without complaint?
Regards
Chris Blown
Andy Budd wrote:
So I'm interested to hear what you folks think. Do you hack or are you
hack free? If you hack, what methods do you use, why do you use that
method, and more importantly, why do you need it in the first place?
I try to avoid them.
Just this week I had some really good results
Hi All
I just noticed that our discussion on XHTML 1.0 Transitional and
autocomplete went off list.
I've posted this in hopes that others may benefit from the info.
Cheers
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On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 13:00, Peter Asquith wrote:
Chris
Thanks for the tip on the meta statements - I've
CSS signatures ?
Here http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/13291
On Fri, 2004-07-09 at 17:55, Mordechai Peller wrote:
Putting an id or class on the html or body tags is a useful way of
targeting slight variations in style rules with resorting to a second
style sheet.
I
by your browser
then the best method is to use a local proxy like proximitron. Of course
under Firefox you can use the Live HTTP headers extension which is
awesome.
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On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 22:44, Chris Stratford wrote:
Im not 100% sure...
but here
Thats _really_ bad
Browser checking is a thing of the past and should be gladly forgotten.
Something that we can all thank the web standards project for.
Is there a valid reason to do browser checking? I can't think of one...
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Chris Blown
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 10:30, Neerav wrote
http://www.sitepoint.com/syndication/
On Thu, 2004-06-24 at 10:45, Neerav wrote:
I have recently become a fan of RSS feeds as an efficient way to trawl
the net for interesting news and articles, and would appreciate knowing
which web standards related rss feeds you read
Here are 3 good
Some good reading / opinions on this here. ( esp. in Comments )
http://www.9rules.com/whitespace/design/iframes_vs_overflow.php
Regards
Chris Blown
On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 15:10, Chris wrote:
Hi,
I the process of a design that begs overflow: auto; what is theopinion
on this wonderful
That is true, however already knowing of such hacks enables you to make
this kind of judgement. So for the purpose of education these should
help you out John
http://diveintomark.org/safari/csshacks/
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssHack
Enjoy or not ;)
On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 18:15,
Thats funny Mark..
I happened to hit Froogle by accident after following that link and look
what I found..
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=min-width%20IEhl=enlr=ie=UTF-8sa=Ntab=wf
Good to see Westciv in there. eh John?
Regards
Chris Blown
On Mon, 2004-06-07 at 18:26, Mark Stanton wrote
Nice work again.. Thanks Russ!
On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 14:00, russ - maxdesign wrote:
Read Ten Questions for Simon Willison here:
http://webstandardsgroup.org/features/simon-willison.cfm
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Yeah, I second that... Russ should be on the list too.. ;)
On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 11:12, Kay Smoljak wrote:
you know who I'd like to see interviewed? That Russ guy who runs that cool
site...
:)
--
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Senior Developer/QC Leader/Search Optimisation
PerthWeb Pty Ltd -
I would like to see a third version that uses a combination of the two,
the best of each method merged.. The Hybrid Approach.
Regards
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On Fri, 2004-05-28 at 17:41, Gary Menzel wrote:
Sergio Villarreal has written 'Tables Vs. CSS - A Fight to the
Death',
a SitePoint article where
to compromises. I'd rather have as much
presentation in CSS as possible with one table than the horrible mess
shown in that article. Its an easy choice really.
Regards
Chris Blown
Jamie Mason wrote:
Tables are for tabular data only, not for use for layouts as a
positional grid. The only time
of it... :)
Chris Blown
PS. I only just realised that the original thread had no subject, I
completely missed that one.. I need a beer..
Alan Milnes wrote:
I think part of this debate is because many developers have years of
experience and know all the tricks of getting tables laid out how they
want
Sorry, I just couldn't let this one go.. Its a common misconception that
you cannot sell open source software.
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
;)
On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 11:56, Justin French wrote:
Screw opensource -- I would pay serious cash for such a tool! This is
MUCH better
That's true, running IE6 under Linux via wine [1] even introduces extra
quirks and bugs, which I sometimes falsely blame IE for until I go an
actually check on XP. It does work relatively well though, and its handy
for quick testing.
Regards
Chris Blown
[1] http://www.winehq.com
On Wed, 2004
You should be able to do all your client side checking using DOM access
methods. The name attribute in form is no longer needed nor desirable.
Rough example
input type=text id=name value= name=Name/
if ( document.getElementById(name) == )
{
alert(Please enter a name);
}
Cheers
Chris
Ooops, that should of been ;)
if ( document.getElementById(name).value == )
{
alert(Please enter a name);
}
On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 11:26, robert e. lee wrote:
I have had a form up for a long time and it vallidates as xhtml 1.0
transitional. But I have to wonder why it is that I
That's what we did.
We have one little lonely eMac in our office for browser testing and
other Mac related development projects. It was a necessary upgrade since
the old Power PC 7200/120 just couldn't cope anymore.
Chris
On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 16:19, Michael Donnermeyer wrote:
You'd be better
.
The popular response to Andy's article that using the odd table without
nesting them, is simple practical advice. I don't really think the odd
table is that detrimental to our efforts of advocating web standards.
Regards
Chris Blown
At some stage, but that does look different to what I recall.
Certainly a step in the right direction.
On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 14:22, Mark Stanton wrote:
Hi Chris
Have you tried turning on verbose output? This can be done by going to
the extended interface at
For Mozilla based browsers, have a look here.
http://devedge.netscape.com/toolbox/sidebars/
Though no mention of browser support, links into the correct section of
the w3c are very helpful.
Chris
On Tue, 2004-05-18 at 01:46, Razvan Pop wrote:
!!blue wrote:
Hi all,
Where can I find some
vertical-align : bottom;
On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 15:54, theGrafixGuy wrote:
A CSS question - I have some centered text formatted via a class in div
id= and I need it at the bottom of the div but still HORIZONTALLY
centered - how?
Thanks for the help in advance
Brian
to upgrade, offering some of the benefits. Surprisingly most people
upgrade when provided a link.
Regards
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On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 09:19, Mark Stanton wrote:
I agree with Ryan - coding for specific browsers is a futile excerise.
We do use javascript quite
You've caught me out Simon! I might of let that statement play devils
advocate, so I could get up on the soap box for a bit. ;)
Regards
Chris Blown
On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 00:58, Simon Jessey wrote:
I'm afraid you've misinterpreted what I was trying to say, Chris. What
I was trying to say
) Microsoft might just sit up and take notice.
The real issue is, Microsoft have the power, resources and money to free
these features to the world and truth be told they don't care...
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Have a look at
http://devedge.netscape.com/toolbox/examples/2001/stock-ticker/
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On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 16:22, Jackie Reid wrote:
My client has asked me for a section of scrolling text dammit!
Have searched online...cant find anything other
Nice work Russ.. keep them coming!
Eric's level headed attitude never fails to impress.
Regards
Chris Blown
http://hinterlands.com.au
On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 13:01, russ - maxdesign wrote:
Hi all,
Announcing an exciting addition to the WSG site. I have been interviewing a
range of high profile
Hey Mike,
Check here http://scott.sauyet.name/CSS/Demo/FooterDemo2.html
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On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 17:01, Mike Kear wrote:
I want to have a footer stuck to the bottom of the browser window, but
if the window reduces in size, the footer goes over
Very nice Peter. Smooth and clean is all good.
I used to play around with Cinema 4D on the go ole Amiga. Heh, that
brings back some fond memories. ;)
Cheers
Chris Blown
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On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 11:49, Universal Head wrote:
Hi all
Just about to be officially
You can put the favicon.ico file in the webroot. This works without the
need for any markup.
However this doesn't work for IE. Works fine other browsers. IE is also
picky about the file format.
Cheers
Chris Blown
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On Fri, 2004-03-12 at 13:35, Universal Head wrote
see anything its all black?
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On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 15:38, Beau wrote:
You can do this with something like PHP, just a script that does something
like this
link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=cssmaker.php /
?php
header('Content-type: text/css
Yeah, sorry I should of mentioned that Dan Cederholm is well aware of
it.
On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 12:57, Michael Zeltner wrote:
oops, it has already been reported...
too late...
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That's good advice.
BTW. Using tables doesn't automatically make your markup invalid. You
can happily use tables and still get 100% compliant markup.
Chris Blown
http://hinterlands.com.au
Why not just relax a little and do a table for the part that's giving you
all the heartburn, and move
this font. From my
experience with Linux Times is the most common.
font-family : Times New Roman, Times, serif;
Regards
Chris Blown
Dave Shea has some nice examples of using Times New Roman, half way
through the article at:
http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/07/24/times_new_ro
agree with the idea that using the content property for adding content
is a bad idea, but using content for replacement is not so bad as
everyone is making out.
Anyway since only a couple of browsers support this, its not a real
alternative, yet...
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Perhaps this quote of John
direction.
Any thoughts?
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Not sure if its just me, but I noticed that the
Acoustic Emission
Instrumentation
link only hovers when my mouse is over Instrumentation
Linux FireFox 0.8 ( gtk2 / xft )
Cheers
Chris Blown
On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 13:45, Michael Kear wrote:
Whooh! I just launched my
The menus div is overlapping sidemenu causing the top entry in the
menu to miss its hover selector ( at least in FireFox here )
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Chris Blown
On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 15:18, Chris Blown wrote:
Good stuff.. Mike.
Not sure if its just me, but I noticed that the
Acoustic Emission
The first draft of the 'reader' media type. Published to get some early
feedback, especially on whether 'reader' is necessary and implementable.
http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-css3-reader-20040224/
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meta tags should generally be added to each page, listing keywords that
are accurately relevant to the content on the page.
Keep the list short and precise.
Cheers
Chris Blown
PS. Not all search engines read nor care about meta keywords
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 15:16, Universal Head wrote
this technique, very handy for checking keywords.
Cheers
Chris Blown
On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 15:16, Universal Head wrote:
Dumb question but ...
Do you repeat your META tags on every page of your site, or only the
index page?
Thanks
Peter
Sorry I missed it guys, looks like I missed a good one.. damn!
Thanks for posting the presentation slides..
Regards
Chris Blown
On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 22:50, t.lucas wrote:
Tonight was my first WSG meeting and I'd just like to say a big thanks to
Russ and Peter for organising such a great
in CSS.
http://www.voicexml.org/specs/multimodal/x+v/11/examples/
Still a long way to go...
Regards
Chris Blown
Another interesting point is that (AFAIK) screen readers have some of the
worst CSS support out of any of the browsers barring lynx (which doesn't
support CSS at all). I think most
.
Thanks
Chris Blown
On Tue, 2004-02-17 at 13:41, Mark Stanton wrote:
I really don't think this is OT at all. HTTP is the basis of everything we
do and is very much a web standard.
I think that if you put the following line of code in your stream.php file:
header(HTTP/1.0 304 Not Modified
/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20040205/
http://xml.coverpages.org/patents.html [ Warning : Super Long ]
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During standard image requests the web server responds with a 304 Not
Modified response when the image is cached, so that the browser doesn't
bother to reload the image. I cannot seem to emulate this behaviour via
a fpassthru() PHP call.
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Chris Blown
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?) is
about the right line length - @ alistapart although where it is I don't
know as the search function has disappeared from that site.
Cheers
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Chris Blown wrote:
Thought I'd share this one with everyone, we received a list of
corrections today from one of our clients, and we found
-grammar-20040210/
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http://www.hotscripts.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?bool=ANDquery=contact+formcatid=all
On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 18:02, Universal Head wrote:
I don't know if this is on-topic or not, but can anyone direct me to a
simple way of creating a form that has a few fields that
.
Cheers
Chris Blown
A bit of protocol. Might be best to start a new thread (and paste in any
quotes) rather than changing the subject if changing the topic completely.
Makes it easier for people that view the list via threads on
mail-archive.com. Much of the recent discussion under the heading
Mark
Maybe try adding
#textContent p {
width: 450px;
margin-right: 0;
color: #564370;
margin-top: 1em;
}
Cheers
Chris Blown
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 18:46, Mark Stanton wrote:
Hi All
Just a quick one that only seems to affect IE5/MAC:
http
Not being that Mac savy, I assume it's possible to have both v1.0 and
v1.2 installed on the same machine?
Safari 1.2 is out for mac-heads:
http://www.apple.com/safari/
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Hey
How would one markup a simple flowchart using xhtml / css? A few ul?
Hardest part is how to do the connecting lines..
Any ideas?
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this?
#box {
position : absolute;
left : 50%;
width: 120px ;
margin-left : -60px; /* Half box width */
}
Chris
PS...
Does anyone have an idea about how to do this with a absolutely
Just for the record...
I wouldn't recommend using this, but it does work. This is totally a
DirectX hack and only works in Windows IE.
filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='images/image.png',sizingMethod='scale');
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PS. I am not totally against CSS
decides to bung in invalid markup, or maybe a
particular application framework doesn't yet support the markup
correctly.
If IE wasn't such a pain, then standards are really a no brainer,
write once works everywhere, hmmm one day.. soon I hope..
Cheers
Chris Blown
On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 11:06
Thanks Tonico
Looks great.
Cheers
Chris Blown
A few months ago I need to do this for a project. It was one of my first
pure CSS layouts. It's done with positioning not floats.
The abstract HTML:
div id=min-heightnbsp;/div
divContent/div
div id=footerFooter/div
CSS:
#min-height
Hey
There are quite a few sites around that cover these already, but I did
as a bit of a learning experiment.
http://hinterlands.hcit/testing/css_image_replacement.html
Cheers
ChrisB
More : http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/
Um, yeah... sorry guys... /* feeling silly */
http://www.hinterlands.com.au/testing/css_image_replacement.html
@Russ : Did you correct the URL by hand?
ChrisB
On Tue, 2004-01-27 at 14:48, Mark Stanton wrote:
Hey Chris
Can you double check that URL - looks broken.
Cheers
Mark
I was quite surprised when I first saw the way that some Mac browsers
highlight focused inputs with a light blue border.
If only :focus was better supported by IE.
and PNG's and.. and..
ChrisB
On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 13:42, Mark Stanton wrote:
Nice article on making forms a bit nicer.
http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox26.html
I always doubt the accuracy of these stats, since various browsers
default their user_agent to IE6.
Anyway, no surprises, IE still holds the crown...
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Yes, I get the same with Firebird under Linux, though gtk1/2 support is
much better than it once was.
Is Camino still in development? Its uses native widgets, doesn't it?
ChrisB
It's also for this very same reason that I dislike what Mozilla does
with form widgets, which (at least on Mac OS
This may be a caching issue. I tried it here and its OK on IE v6
ChrisB
On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 13:38, stuart wrote:
Received and e-mail today regarding the unexpected crashing of this
page *still*
http://www.weddingphotography.com.au/prices/index.htm
I understand where you are coming from Taco. This sort of feeling is not
uncommon for mailing lists and forums that cover potentially complex
subject matter. The fear of being flamed is usually unwarranted though.
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