[WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

2004-06-02 Thread Michael Kear
Here's an interesting article on the implications for a web development shop on using web standards for development rather than the antique table-based methods we all used to use. This author compares the time taken to develop a site then and now, after changing to using standards. If this

Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

2004-06-02 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
If this doesn't convince a web professional to take a serious look at these standards nothing will. and MACCAWS ( www.MACCAWS.org ) doesnt do this? Camz * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

2004-06-02 Thread Mordechai Peller
t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: If this doesn't convince a web professional to take a serious look at these standards nothing will. and MACCAWS ( www.MACCAWS.org ) doesnt do this? Not the same way. maccaws' argument is an intellectual argument, while

RE: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

2004-06-02 Thread Michael Kear
I don't know I've never read it. You go to Maccaws.org and you have to go off to another link to read anything useful. Like the old days of the portals. No one had any content, only links to more sites that are themselves just pages of more links. I can't be bothered going from link to

Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

2004-06-02 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
I found it quite a good read... - Original Message - From: Mordechai Peller To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards. t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: If this doesn't

RE: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

2004-06-02 Thread Michael Kear
I've since taken a quick look at macaws.org and at a cursory speed-scan there doesn't seem to be anything in that article called What Every Web Site Owner Should Know About Standards: A Web Standards Primer at http://www.maccaws.org/kit/primer/ that has anything about the business reasons for a

Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

2004-06-02 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
their site is what you call a white paper its like a government report but on the net. Governments around the world have read it. Its fairly simple ot navigate. - Original Message - From: Michael Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 1:20 PM Subject:

Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

2004-06-02 Thread J Rodgers
Hi, new to the list but I couldn't resist this one as I have seen this first hand... The fact it takes less time and saves the client money could be the reason many designers don't want to leave tables behind. Think about the money a shop would lose? They would have to get more clients and

RE: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

2004-06-02 Thread Michael Kear
Jesse you are obviously not a business owner or a general manager. And if you are, you're not thinking like a business owner. If you can produce work far faster now than you could before, you can charge less. But that's only one of your options. You charge less if you need a competitive

Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

2004-06-02 Thread J Rodgers
Actually I was thinking like the consultant that tried to pull the 'standards cost more' argument with two non-profits I do volunteer work for. The article you link to shows exactly what I have been saying for a long time.. I think scarcasm was lost in my post. Moving to XHTML/CSS will save me

RE: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.

2004-06-02 Thread Michael Kear
You're right, the sarcasm was lost on me. My bad. Sorry. Cheers Mike Kear -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of J Rodgers Sent: Thursday, 3 June 2004 1:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web