Re: [WSG] Must Read
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 09:45:40 -0700, Chris wrote: Dynamic Text Replacement http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dynatext/ Most sites that replace text with images do so using hand-made images, which isnt so terrible when there are a set number of headings, but it quickly becomes unmanageable on a site that is updated several times per day. Completely ignoring the question of whether replacing text with images is a good or a bad thing to do, it occurs to me that an obvious way to get around the above problem is to have images of letters rather than words. What problems would this introduce? Kerning might be one issue - letters that are glued together as consecutive images would have none and might look bad. What advantages might it have? Well, bandwidth wouldn't be too bad - once a letter is downloaded, it is cached. Its an interesting idea, although I feel its impractical. Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Web Design, Usability, Information Architecture, Search Engine Optimisation Brisbane, Australia * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Must Read
Marc Greenstock wrote: It is probably best to actually save the images out after the first load so the images are permanently as part of the file system. In the event that you need to change the text simply delete the images and let them reload. This is exactly what I did for a site I built. I wrote a component that checks if a graphic exists and generates it on the fly. The function then returns an img/ tag complete with alt text. For the filename I use an md5 hash of the text, the size, fore and background colour and any other detail that makes the image unique. I also had some problems with imagettfbbox, I had to apply a correction to the values it returns. I guess this value is likely to be unique for each font. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Must Read - THREAD CLOSED
Sorry to be a wet blanket guys but this has little or no bearing on web standards. From: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm The mail list does not cover: * Non-Web Standards related issues and support * Discussion of server-side scripting beyond that directly involved with Web Standards * Discussion of content management/web publishing system issues beyond those directly involved with Web Standards (there is a CMS list for that purpose, see the resources section for details) I think this topic would come under all of those headings. Can you wrap up the thread now please. Cheers Mark * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Must Read
On 16 Jun 2004, at 06:19, Bert Doorn wrote: opinion Whatever the technique, using images for headings is, to me, backward, pixel perfect, print thinking. [...] Perhaps I am a lone voice in the desert, but why go back to 1990's style websites when we have CSS? Because if we really on styling alone, as we all know, one's headings are limited to the type faces installed on the user's machine. In the real world that will not be acceptable to paying clients, and neither should it be, Many clients want their website to be an extension of their offline brand. If their offline branding uses Rotis Sans (or an expensively created bespoke face) for all the main headings then it stands to reason that face should be reflected on the website too. Visual identity IS that important in the outside world. But I'm sure this argument has gone round and round a million times so I'll leave it there. Rich www.clagnut.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Must Read
This method uses GD, which unfortunately is the only bundled graphics library available in php. GD is fine for most purposes, it can be a little memory intensive at times though. The problem here is that the function imagegettfbbox() is sometimes unpredictable and may not get the correct height and width for the specified text, especially with overhanging letters like 'y','p' and 'q'. It is probably best to actually save the images out after the first load so the images are permanently as part of the file system. In the event that you need to change the text simply delete the images and let them reload. Marc. - Original Message - From: Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Must Read Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Dynamic Text Replacement http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dynatext/ The php image stuff is fair enough, but I've not been impressed with JavaScript Image Replacement as a technique - when I was evaluating it, I seemed to get the unstyled version a lot of the time in both Firefox and IE. Refreshing the page fixed the problem only some of the time. Overall, seemed a bit flaky for commercial use. -- Kay Smoljak http://developer.perthweb.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Must Read
opinion Whatever the technique, using images for headings is, to me, backward, pixel perfect, print thinking. I visited the site - I only have a modem connection. I dind't like the way the headings disappeared, got replaced with image placeholders which slwly filled up with text that was there in the first place. Perhaps I am a lone voice in the desert, but why go back to 1990's style websites when we have CSS? Is it necessary to make people wait, just so you can show them the font YOU like (and they might not be able to see anyway)? /opinion Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design www.betterwebdesign.com.au Fast-loading, user-friendly websites * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Must Read
I took a look at the example page, and in FireFox .9 and a broadband connection, it took a good couple of seconds before the images showed up properly. I was considering using some sort of image replacement for my new design of my journal, and I was highly considering this one. But I'm really not sure at this point. I really do agree with the idea of accessibility, and this seems to limit that. Jeremy - www.jezzjournal.com - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bert Doorn Sent: June 16, 2004 12:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Must Read opinion Whatever the technique, using images for headings is, to me, backward, pixel perfect, print thinking. I visited the site - I only have a modem connection. I dind't like the way the headings disappeared, got replaced with image placeholders which slwly filled up with text that was there in the first place. Perhaps I am a lone voice in the desert, but why go back to 1990's style websites when we have CSS? Is it necessary to make people wait, just so you can show them the font YOU like (and they might not be able to see anyway)? /opinion Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design www.betterwebdesign.com.au Fast-loading, user-friendly websites * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
