Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?
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Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?
I would go with David Dorwood’s suggestion, this seems the most logical. I would try and avoid the sup tags, as these are for superscript, which is really presentational and should be handled by CSS if this is the style that is required. On 2 July 2012 11:41, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk wrote: On 02/07/2012 04:35, Teddy Knoy wrote: These e-mails aren't intended for me, but I keep on receiving them. Ted Knoy Dear Ted, welcome to the wonderful world of email mailing lists. You must have signed yourself up at some point? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**mail/guidelines.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**join/unsubscribe.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberhelp@webstandardsgroup.**orgmemberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** To unsubscribe, follow the link in the footer that comes with each email to this list. Cheers, P -- Patrick H. Lauke __**__**__ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com | http://flickr.com/photos/**redux/http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ __**__**__ twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke __**__**__ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**mail/guidelines.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**join/unsubscribe.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberhelp@webstandardsgroup.**orgmemberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Warm regards, Kevin Rapley / User Experience Designer 0772 345 7862 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?
In what way is sup more presentational than p? Bob - Original Message - From: Kevin Rapley To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: Teddy Knoy Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference? I would go with David Dorwood’s suggestion, this seems the most logical. I would try and avoid the sup tags, as these are for superscript, which is really presentational and should be handled by CSS if this is the style that is required. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?
The sup tag is definitely not presentational. It's good for the browser to know what is superscripted. Think about math and powers. The browser will interpret these two things totally differently: 104 10sup4/sup (correct) 10span4/span (browser will think it's 104 instead of 104) Dan From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Rapley Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 7:28 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: Teddy Knoy Subject: Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference? I would go with David Dorwood's suggestion, this seems the most logical. I would try and avoid the sup tags, as these are for superscript, which is really presentational and should be handled by CSS if this is the style that is required. On 2 July 2012 11:41, Patrick H. Lauke re...@splintered.co.uk wrote: On 02/07/2012 04:35, Teddy Knoy wrote: These e-mails aren't intended for me, but I keep on receiving them. Ted Knoy Dear Ted, welcome to the wonderful world of email mailing lists. You must have signed yourself up at some point? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** To unsubscribe, follow the link in the footer that comes with each email to this list. Cheers, P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re.dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com | http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ __ twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Warm regards, Kevin Rapley / User Experience Designer 0772 345 7862 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This E-mail message, including all attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply E-mail, and destroy all copies of the original message. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?
On 02/07/2012 13:39, Dan Freeman wrote: The sup tag is definitely not presentational. It’s good for the browser to know what is superscripted. Think about math and powers. The browser will interpret these two things totally differently: 10^4 10sup4/sup (correct) 10span4/span (browser will think it’s 104 instead of 10^4 ) Arguably the semantics of mathematics are best conveyed with something like MathML, not HTML. sup really just means it's superscript - make it look tinier, and up a bit. Compare the semantics of 10sup4/sup vs 1supst/sup vs Msuplle/sup clearly, not related at all, apart from the fact that they visually look the same in print. The meaning (it's a mathematical exponent vs an ordinal indicator vs an abbreviation for Mademoiselle) changes depending on context, so the semantics are certainly far from cut and dry. IMHO of course, P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com | http://flickr.com/photos/redux/ __ twitter: @patrick_h_lauke | skype: patrick_h_lauke __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?
On 30/06/2012 07:10, tee wrote: In scholarly paper and report, we often use number (e.g.. 1, 2. 3, displays in sup) in between paragraphs when referencing others' work. What is the name of the tag used in such manner in HTML or ebook format? The microformats community lists a rel=footnote under 'POSH usage' on their rel values reference: http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#POSH_usage Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?
Thanks David. I think ePub3 and HTML5 support is still not here. When converting the HTML5 doctype files to ePub, Sigil (an ePub editor) forces ePub2 version and stripped all HTML5 tags. Converting to mobil format for Amazon Kindle is even worse, I feel as if dealing with the IE6 7. Tee On Jun 30, 2012, at 3:16 AM, David Dorward wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 11:04, tee wrote: I thought maybe I can use hyperlink for monolithic instead of adding 3 (which will be directed to Appendix), but this often is not desirable because in other sections of paragraphs where citations are used, there aren't alway clear sentences to hyperlink. A hyperlink (to an aside) is the closest thing HTML has AFAIK. This is for an ebook project, it's different from the webpage, and the readers are more accustom to the footnotes, but footnote doesn't work for ebook format, because devices' sizes vary, and portrait vs landscape view affects text flow too so strictly speaking there isn't pagination. The example syntax given in the EPUB specification[1] is: html … xmlns:epub=http://www.idpf.org/2007/ops; … p … a epub:type=noteref href=#n11/a … /p … aside epub:type=footnote id=n1 … /aside … /html [1] http://idpf.org/epub -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?
These e-mails aren't intended for me, but I keep on receiving them. Ted Knoy On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:52 AM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks David. I think ePub3 and HTML5 support is still not here. When converting the HTML5 doctype files to ePub, Sigil (an ePub editor) forces ePub2 version and stripped all HTML5 tags. Converting to mobil format for Amazon Kindle is even worse, I feel as if dealing with the IE6 7. Tee On Jun 30, 2012, at 3:16 AM, David Dorward wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 11:04, tee wrote: I thought maybe I can use hyperlink for monolithic instead of adding 3 (which will be directed to Appendix), but this often is not desirable because in other sections of paragraphs where citations are used, there aren't alway clear sentences to hyperlink. A hyperlink (to an aside) is the closest thing HTML has AFAIK. This is for an ebook project, it's different from the webpage, and the readers are more accustom to the footnotes, but footnote doesn't work for ebook format, because devices' sizes vary, and portrait vs landscape view affects text flow too so strictly speaking there isn't pagination. The example syntax given in the EPUB specification[1] is: html … xmlns:epub=http://www.idpf.org/2007/ops; … p … a epub:type=noteref href=#n11/a … /p … aside epub:type=footnote id=n1 … /aside … /html [1] http://idpf.org/epub -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?
Are you referring to a citation tag cite? Greg -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:11 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference? In scholarly paper and report, we often use number (e.g.. 1, 2. 3, displays in sup) in between paragraphs when referencing others' work. What is the name of the tag used in such manner in HTML or ebook format? Thanks! Tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?
Hi It's called sup/sup Regards Birendra -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Greg Gamble Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 12:36 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference? Are you referring to a citation tag cite? Greg -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:11 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference? In scholarly paper and report, we often use number (e.g.. 1, 2. 3, displays in sup) in between paragraphs when referencing others' work. What is the name of the tag used in such manner in HTML or ebook format? Thanks! Tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?
Sort of. But I looked up from HTML5 tag, cite doesn't' seem to be the correct ones to use. Example of my text when we do it in a Word document. One model to explain political power, ...is referred to as the monolithic theory . 3 Where 3 is superscribed, and at the footnote of the given page where the quoted texts located, or references (such as a book title, page # etc) In a case like this, wrapping 3 in cite doesn't seem correct to me. I thought maybe I can use hyperlink for monolithic instead of adding 3 (which will be directed to Appendix), but this often is not desirable because in other sections of paragraphs where citations are used, there aren't alway clear sentences to hyperlink. This is for an ebook project, it's different from the webpage, and the readers are more accustom to the footnotes, but footnote doesn't work for ebook format, because devices' sizes vary, and portrait vs landscape view affects text flow too so strictly speaking there isn't pagination. Tee On Jun 30, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Greg Gamble wrote: Are you referring to a citation tag cite? Greg -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:11 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference? In scholarly paper and report, we often use number (e.g.. 1, 2. 3, displays in sup) in between paragraphs when referencing others' work. What is the name of the tag used in such manner in HTML or ebook format? Thanks! Tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] which tag to use for link to reference?
On 30 Jun 2012, at 11:04, tee wrote: I thought maybe I can use hyperlink for monolithic instead of adding 3 (which will be directed to Appendix), but this often is not desirable because in other sections of paragraphs where citations are used, there aren't alway clear sentences to hyperlink. A hyperlink (to an aside) is the closest thing HTML has AFAIK. This is for an ebook project, it's different from the webpage, and the readers are more accustom to the footnotes, but footnote doesn't work for ebook format, because devices' sizes vary, and portrait vs landscape view affects text flow too so strictly speaking there isn't pagination. The example syntax given in the EPUB specification[1] is: html … xmlns:epub=http://www.idpf.org/2007/ops; … p … a epub:type=noteref href=#n11/a … /p … aside epub:type=footnote id=n1 … /aside … /html [1] http://idpf.org/epub -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
