On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
On 09/20/2013 04:44 AM, Pat Hayes wrote:
On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
So, I hereby propose we give up on all this until after we solve the
change-over-time problem for RDF.
Well, I do have other things to
I feel that Sandro's text has asked the WG for too much and is motivated by the
insoluble use case of dealing with time.
A shorter proposal, motivated by other intensional use cases, such as Pat's
signing, but any involving stating some intent about a graph, rather than some
mathematical
Pat Hayes pha...@ihmc.us wrote:
On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:31 AM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
On 09/20/2013 04:44 AM, Pat Hayes wrote:
On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
So, I hereby propose we give up on all this until after we solve
the change-over-time problem for RDF.
Jeremy J Carroll j...@syapse.com wrote:
I feel that Sandro's text has asked the WG for too much and is
motivated by the insoluble use case of dealing with time.
A shorter proposal, motivated by other intensional use cases, such as
Pat's signing, but any involving stating some intent about a
I also wish to use dcterms:issued
Adam and Bettie issued the graph for different purposes on different dates, and
the issued property is really about the named graph and not about the graph per
se.
Jeremy J Carroll
Principal Architect
Syapse, Inc.
On Sep 27, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Sandro Hawke
Jeremy J Carroll j...@syapse.com wrote:
I also wish to use dcterms:issued
Adam and Bettie issued the graph for different purposes on different
dates, and the issued property is really about the named graph and not
about the graph per se.
Okay, so it's enough to use creator and date. Adam
On 09/20/2013 04:44 AM, Pat Hayes wrote:
On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
So, I hereby propose we give up on all this until after we solve the
change-over-time problem for RDF.
Well, I do have other things to do in my life
Sorry Hopefully you at least
On 24 September 2013 14:31, Sandro Hawke san...@w3.org wrote:
On 09/20/2013 04:44 AM, Pat Hayes wrote:
On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
So, I hereby propose we give up on all this until after we solve the
change-over-time problem for RDF.
Well, I do have other
On 09/24/2013 09:38 AM, Dan Brickley wrote:
Do you have a use case (involving RDF on computers) for having different
properties on different graphs (which happen to have the same triples),
and which does not involve graphs changing over time?
(jumping in here...)
Related to change over time,
On 24 September 2013 14:51, Sandro Hawke san...@w3.org wrote:
On 09/24/2013 09:38 AM, Dan Brickley wrote:
Do you have a use case (involving RDF on computers) for having different
properties on different graphs (which happen to have the same
triples),
and which does not involve graphs
On Sep 24, 2013, at 6:31 AM, Sandro Hawke san...@w3.org wrote:
I'm now confident that you and I (and Jeremy) agree the problem we're trying
to solve in this thread is this: people seem to want to have different
properties on one graph than on another, even when the graphs happen to
have
On 09/24/2013 01:07 PM, Jeremy J Carroll wrote:
On Sep 24, 2013, at 6:31 AM, Sandro Hawke san...@w3.org
mailto:san...@w3.org wrote:
I'm now confident that you and I (and Jeremy) agree the problem we're
trying to solve in this thread is this: people seem to want to have
different properties
On 24 September 2013 19:15, Sandro Hawke san...@w3.org wrote:
So let's go back to that.Give me an example that shows three things: the
triples happen to be the same, the metadata must remain distinct, and there
is no change over time.As I think about it now, I'm beginning to think
On 09/24/2013 05:32 PM, Dan Brickley wrote:
On 24 September 2013 19:15, Sandro Hawke san...@w3.org wrote:
So let's go back to that.Give me an example that shows three things: the
triples happen to be the same, the metadata must remain distinct, and there
is no change over time.As I
On Sep 22, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Pat Hayes pha...@ihmc.us wrote:
RDF datasets may be used to express RDF content. When used in this way, a
dataset should be understood to have at least the same content as its
default graph. Note however that replacing the default graph of a dataset by
a
On Sep 20, 2013, at 10:54 AM, Jeremy J Carroll wrote:
On Sep 20, 2013, at 2:45 AM, Pat Hayes pha...@ihmc.us wrote:
In the original paper that Jeremy and I (and Chris Bizer) co-wrote, we
defined a named graph to be a name, graph pair, so the statement
GRAPH x:g1 { :a :b :c .}
On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Gregg Reynolds wrote:
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Jeremy J Carroll j...@syapse.com wrote:
Something of an aside …
On Sep 18, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Gregg Reynolds d...@mobileink.com wrote:
The suggestion that a pair of mathematical entities with exactly
On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
So, I hereby propose we give up on all this until after we solve the
change-over-time problem for RDF.
Well, I do have other things to do in my life, but I think this is a very bad
stance to take. The change-over-time-problem is
On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Gregg Reynolds wrote:
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Sandro Hawke san...@w3.org wrote:
On 09/18/2013 04:29 AM, Gregg Reynolds wrote:
Names Graphs also provide a useful semantics for RDF Datasets. Some RDF
Datasets, hereafter NG Datasets, have this
On Sep 20, 2013, at 2:45 AM, Pat Hayes pha...@ihmc.us wrote:
In the original paper that Jeremy and I (and Chris Bizer) co-wrote, we
defined a named graph to be a name, graph pair, so the statement
GRAPH x:g1 { :a :b :c .}
would mean that the IRI x:g1 denotes the pair x:g1, { :a :b :c
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Jeremy J Carroll j...@syapse.com wrote:
Something of an aside …
On Sep 18, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Gregg Reynolds d...@mobileink.com wrote:
The suggestion that a pair of mathematical entities with exactly the same
extension are not equal doesn't help - it reads
On 09/19/2013 04:01 AM, Dan Brickley wrote:
On 18 September 2013 19:33, Jeremy J Carroll j...@syapse.com
mailto:j...@syapse.com wrote:
Something of an aside …
On Sep 18, 2013, at 1:29 AM, Gregg Reynolds d...@mobileink.com
mailto:d...@mobileink.com wrote:
The suggestion
Gregg I am sorry for the overly personal attack.
I read with interest the latter part of your post concerning metonymy, which
did seem to contrast with my (perhaps mis)reading of the discussion of
mathematical functions, with or without a name.
I found it strange that Sandro responded to your
I enjoyed this rebuttal
On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Gregg Reynolds d...@mobileink.com wrote:
If you see your contemporary mathematical concept in a tenth century diagram,
its because you put it there. It's a variation on the Fallacy of Anachronism.
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Jeremy J Carroll j...@syapse.com wrote:
Gregg I am sorry for the overly personal attack.
Very gracious of you. Apology gladly accepted.
I read with interest the latter part of your post concerning metonymy,
which did seem to contrast with my (perhaps
On Sep 17, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
Following that epiphany I had at the end of my last email, here's what I'd
love to see everyone agree on, more or less:
Yes, but I'd like to expound it slightly differently. But basically, I like
this.
== Named Graphs
An RDF Named
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Sandro Hawke san...@w3.org wrote:
Following that epiphany I had at the end of my last email, here's what I'd
love to see everyone agree on, more or less:
== Named Graphs
An RDF Named Graph is similar to an RDF Graph, but different in one
important way.
Interesting thread.
...a named graph is a concrete thing which exemplifies the same
abstract structure as an RDF graph. Or, put another way, the RDF graph
is the syntactic structure of the actual object that is the named
graph. Just like a parse tree of a sentence written in a book.
... works
On 09/18/2013 04:29 AM, Gregg Reynolds wrote:
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Sandro Hawke san...@w3.org
mailto:san...@w3.org wrote:
Following that epiphany I had at the end of my last email, here's
what I'd love to see everyone agree on, more or less:
== Named Graphs
An
Following that epiphany I had at the end of my last email, here's what
I'd love to see everyone agree on, more or less:
== Named Graphs
An RDF Named Graph is similar to an RDF Graph, but different in one
important way.Because RDF Graphs are defined as being mathematical
sets of RDF
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