Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-03-05 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:17:43 +0100 Axel Liljencrantz liljencra...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/4 Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.be ... Imho that would fall in the config section, because the user configured the variables explicitly. Note that state vs config is not about persistent vs

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-03-05 Thread Axel Liljencrantz
2009/3/5 Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.be On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:17:43 +0100 Axel Liljencrantz liljencra...@gmail.com wrote: ... I didn't mean that the path the data takes while traveling to disk is what made it into state, I was strictly talking about the nature of the data stored.

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-03-04 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 14:59:02 +0100 Axel Liljencrantz liljencra...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/2 Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.be It's always hard to define those things in words, but I think the wordings @ http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2009-February/010191.html are quite

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-02-27 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mardi 24 février 2009, à 22:01 +0100, Axel Liljencrantz a écrit : 2009/2/9 Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.be Actually I think your state vs configs splitup is a very similar approach to my suggested settings as configured by user/on behalf of user versus settings on behalf of the

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-02-25 Thread Axel Liljencrantz
2009/2/9 Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.be On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 02:10:33 +0200 Guillem Jover guil...@hadrons.org wrote: On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 22:10:25 +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: I guess the biggest issue would be trying to come up with a proper definition for state.

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-02-09 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 02:10:33 +0200 Guillem Jover guil...@hadrons.org wrote: Hi! On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 22:10:25 +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: I see your points and they make sense. I think the real issue is no longer is it configuration or not, but rather is it configuration that the

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-02-08 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 22:10:25 +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: I'll tell you where I'm coming from: I'm having my $XDG_CONFIG_HOME under version control. The goal of this is to have all my I want app foo to behave exactly like this settings managed carefully. I've a similar setup, and I

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-01-16 Thread Vincent Untz
Le jeudi 15 janvier 2009, à 22:10 +0100, Dieter Plaetinck a écrit : I see your points and they make sense. I think the real issue is no longer is it configuration or not, but rather is it configuration that the user cares about or not This definition won't work. And this thread can show

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-01-15 Thread Vincent Untz
Le mercredi 14 janvier 2009, à 21:23 +0100, Dieter Plaetinck a écrit : Rodney Dawes wrote: If I resize my app's window to be more suitable for my uses, where should that configuration be saved then? It is configuration data, though all configuration data may not necessarily be what you expect

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-01-15 Thread David Faure
On Thursday 15 January 2009, Vincent Untz wrote: I kind of disagree with These files are only to be edited by the user manually, or by the relevant program on behalf of a user because the user changed configuration through a GUI:, though. Yes I disagree with this. Config files are used for

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-01-15 Thread Sanel Zukan
David Faure wrote: Yes I disagree with this. Config files are used for much more than this, and I don't see a problem with that. Config files are the best place to store window size, toolbar positions, recent urls, etc. etc. +1 Rodney Dawes wrote: It is not *user configuration*. Your

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-01-15 Thread David Faure
On Thursday 15 January 2009, Sanel Zukan wrote: Implying previous, they are also non essential and should go with $XDG_CACHE_HOME, just because program generated them. No. A cache is something that can be deleted without bad side effects. -- David Faure, fa...@kde.org, sponsored by Qt

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-01-15 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:48 PM, David Faure dfa...@trolltech.com wrote: On Thursday 15 January 2009, Sanel Zukan wrote: Implying previous, they are also non essential and should go with $XDG_CACHE_HOME, just because program generated them. No. A cache is something that can be deleted

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-01-15 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:49 PM, David Faure dfa...@trolltech.com wrote: On Thursday 15 January 2009, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: Not at all. It's something that can be recreated, possibly taking a lot of resources, not something unneeded. Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Therefore, desktop icons

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-01-15 Thread David Faure
On Thursday 15 January 2009, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:49 PM, David Faure dfa...@trolltech.com wrote: On Thursday 15 January 2009, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: Not at all. It's something that can be recreated, possibly taking a lot of resources, not something unneeded.

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-01-15 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:53 PM, David Faure dfa...@trolltech.com wrote: I think we agree, but we both sent ambiguous enough emails to misunderstand each other :-) You are of course 100% right. I misread the quotes in earlier emails and thought you were one to imply window size is not config

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-01-15 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 3:53 PM, David Faure dfa...@trolltech.com wrote: I think we agree, but we both sent ambiguous enough emails to misunderstand each other :-) You are of course 100% right. I misread the quotes in earlier emails and thought you were one to

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-01-14 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
Rodney Dawes wrote: On Sat, 2009-01-10 at 22:09 +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: Hi all, at http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html it is explained that $XDG_DATA_{HOME,DIRS} is for (user specific) data files and $XDG_CONFIG_{HOME,DIRS} for (user specific)

Re: What constitutes user configuration files in the XDG basedir spec?

2009-01-10 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Sat, 2009-01-10 at 22:09 +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: Hi all, at http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html it is explained that $XDG_DATA_{HOME,DIRS} is for (user specific) data files and $XDG_CONFIG_{HOME,DIRS} for (user specific) configuration files.