[delicious-discuss] inbox bookmarks
The only problem Ive encountered on del.icio.us is that I am unable to delete items in my Inbox. I can unsubscribe to certain users but it doesnt automatically delete the bookmarks of theirs that were sent to my bookmarks. It would be nice to delete the inboxbookmarks of my choosingwhether I continue to subscribe to that user or not. Thanks, Katiesays17 Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] just pushed a release
We just pushed some new code to production. Aside from a boatload UI tweaks, there's a new search engine and a new bundle editor. Please let me know if you notice anything wrong or broken. Thanks -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Help with daily blog posting
Answering myself:http://sridhar.wordpress.com/2005/10/18/daily-blog-posting-from-delicious-to-wordpresscom/ On 10/15/05, Sri Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is posting to wordpress.com supported?On 10/15/05, David Hogg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I have a more serious problem. The blog entries (queries) have expanded in such a way that the Delete/Edit links are concealed under the right-hand menu bar. As a result it is no longer possible to delete or edit the existing entries. How can I solve this problem? --http://sridhar.wordpress.com-- http://sridhar.wordpress.com ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] pc mag article + request for suggestions
one of the appealing things about del.icio.us is that it's slightly opaque. i'm always finding, with suprise and pleasure, new pages, views, ways of using del.icio.us. if someone is marketing a product, they spell out all the product's virtues up front. with communities, on the other hand, participants learn by acculturation - the more you participate, the more you understand. i like the fact that del.icio.us is a community not a product. if you did want to put more information on the about page, i'd suggest tips for new users on finding other users with common interests. for example, use the search function to look up topics that interest you; see what tags other users apply to the sites you like; then start using those tags for your own posts; and check out the other users who've tagged the same page (i know this is obvious to readers of this listserve but maybe not so obvious to new del.icio.us users). links to some of the more interesting user-developed tools might also be welcome. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] inbox bookmarks
On 10/24/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not sure what to do about subscribing to tags (especially since frequently folks will subscribe to a stack of popular tags, get tens of thousands of items in their inbox daily and never read it at all.) This happens with me. I used to subscribe to many interesting tags, but duplicates reduces the utility so much that I hardly bother reading the subscriptions. How much of a performance impact would collapsing duplicates be? (and I'm not sure how that would work with an rss subscription. remove duplicates between viewings? what if someone didn't view the inbox for months?) Oh, and if you keep the inbox, could you put number unread by each tag? I generally read subscriptions via bloglines anyway. it has that feature. -- sheila ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] inbox bookmarks
On 24 Oct 2005, at 09:29, sheila miguez wrote: On 10/24/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not sure what to do about subscribing to tags (especially since frequently folks will subscribe to a stack of popular tags, get tens of thousands of items in their inbox daily and never read it at all.) This happens with me. I used to subscribe to many interesting tags, but duplicates reduces the utility so much that I hardly bother reading the subscriptions. How much of a performance impact would collapsing duplicates be? (and I'm not sure how that would work with an rss subscription. remove duplicates between viewings? what if someone didn't view the inbox for months?) I use http://deliciousfiltered.stuhlmueller.info/ which works per subscriber and filters out items you've already seen. alf. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] tag bundle suggestions
I'd like a feature on a client for working with tag bundles. I'd like it to provide a UI for easily creating tag bundles from my tag set, and I'd like it to suggest tag groupings. and perhaps it would have some suggested sortings to the side panel so that it could present the tag bundles in different ways depending on the dimension you want to sort on. If this doesn't exist yet, is anyone working on it? If I work on it, would I have to do it stand alone or is there a project already out there it would make sense to contribute this to? I'd also like to help fix the osx del extension becuase, at least on my machine, it's gotten very slow. I had to turn off a lot of the features. the UI is messed up now as well -- when one posts something, the window sticks around and one has to press cancel to make it go away. This is inconsistent with the win32 firefox extension behavior. -- sheila ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] Re: tag bundle suggestions
On 10/24/05, sheila miguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like a feature on a client for working with tag bundles. I'd like it to provide a UI for easily creating tag bundles from my tag set, also, one of my friends wants a tag suggestion engine, in general. Is this something that del is able to provide or will be able to provide in the future? If the current API supports this via some kluges I could try, is it acceptable or would it have a bad perfomance impact in some way? I'm guessing that providing a tag suggestion engine would work best if I had a database of related tags for varying definitions of relatedness. I could dig around for stuff like that I read about LSA when I was in school, and maybe there are some public libraries out there that do that and I'd just have to feed a lot of text into it? Or perhaps there are publicly available databases of semantically related terms? This would be a kluge in terms of tag suggestions because I'm guessing my friend wouldn't want mere synonyms. The thing that intrigues me is doing tag suggestions for images. I'd have to go read up on that. I'm sure that's already out there, but maybe just in academia? -- sheila ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] tag bundle suggestions
i don't think anyone really does this. i believe api calls for the bundles exist, though. you might try taking the tag list from /api/tags/all (uhh i think this is undocumented? must fix that) and using a clusteirng algorithm (what is the osx del extension?) On Oct 24, 2005, at 11:48 AM, sheila miguez wrote: I'd like a feature on a client for working with tag bundles. I'd like it to provide a UI for easily creating tag bundles from my tag set, and I'd like it to suggest tag groupings. and perhaps it would have some suggested sortings to the side panel so that it could present the tag bundles in different ways depending on the dimension you want to sort on. If this doesn't exist yet, is anyone working on it? If I work on it, would I have to do it stand alone or is there a project already out there it would make sense to contribute this to? I'd also like to help fix the osx del extension becuase, at least on my machine, it's gotten very slow. I had to turn off a lot of the features. the UI is messed up now as well -- when one posts something, the window sticks around and one has to press cancel to make it go away. This is inconsistent with the win32 firefox extension behavior. -- sheila ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] inbox bookmarks
This happens with me. I used to subscribe to many interesting tags, but duplicates reduces the utility so much that I hardly bother reading the subscriptions. How much of a performance impact would collapsing duplicates be? (and I'm not sure how that would work with an rss subscription. remove duplicates between viewings? what if someone didn't view the inbox for months?) practically no performance impact, actually. but popular-within-my-inbox seems like a useful feature. i'm undecided. Oh, and if you keep the inbox, could you put number unread by each tag? I generally read subscriptions via bloglines anyway. it has that feature. how do we tell if an item is read -- remember lots of stuff is read via an RSS reader; it's hard to tell when something has been fetched by human agency or not currently, we do not do any click-tracking; there are ui pros and privacy cons there (although I suppose everyone else does it) joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] tag bundle suggestions
On 10/24/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i don't think anyone really does this. i believe api calls for the bundles exist, though. you might try taking the tag list from /api/tags/all (uhh i think this is undocumented? must fix that) and using a clusteirng algorithm okay. cluster on merely the user's tag set might also be desirable, if the user has enough tags to provide useful information. (what is the osx del extension?) Sorry for being unclear. The behavior of the delicious firefox extension, http://delicious.mozdev.org/, when used on my mac, has the problems I mentioned below. I'll provide version info (to the bug address) when I am back at my mac. On Oct 24, 2005, at 11:48 AM, sheila miguez wrote: I'd also like to help fix the osx del extension becuase, at least on my machine, it's gotten very slow. I had to turn off a lot of the features. the UI is messed up now as well -- when one posts something, the window sticks around and one has to press cancel to make it go away. This is inconsistent with the win32 firefox extension behavior. -- sheila ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] pc mag delicious review
I would like to see the two informations on the same page. Maybe the popular one as a side column. At the very least I would like not to have just a link from one page to the other, but in the tag page the information of how many items are in the popular page. This would tell me if it is worth at all opening that page or not. Interesting. Probably would require a smaller rendering of individual posts, I think. Also in the same page I would like to see the most active users that are using that tag. Or maybe ALL the users that have used that tag (in the links present in the page). In order of how commonly. Or maybe ordered as relative importance of that tag respect to all the tags they have (danger! some math involved). I know this is dangerous ground as it can easily turn on a positive feedback loop where people use common tags just to have their name on the sidebar. On the other hand when you are investigating a new tag you need to know who is using it. This could probably be done much like the related tags, I think. Right now this is generated offline but I've been thinking of changing it to dynamic; if we make it dynamic then this could be an easy add-on I do agree that the popular page should be the front page, after all it represents the cream of the delicious experience. The most delicious delicious. We do have some plans to radically change the front page soon. But again I would like to see the two pages (popular and ?new popular) integrated. Can't we get a different color or an asterisk for new links?\ Good idea. Another thing that I am really missing is, in the popular page, after each link, the 4 (or so) more common tags used to define it. Just the tip of the power law, would be so useful. This one has been on my todo list for quite some time; I just need to make the query go faster. I miss the archive with the pages that were popular in the previous days. I use to find that page a much better source of info on what has happened when I have been away than newspapers, or inbox or external services. Yes, I liked that too. Another query issue there, too -- we changed it a while ago to use the last N posts (approximately one day's worth) to calculate popularity instead of a single day. (Also I think we should lower the number of posts counted, that would make it more dynamic a list) When we open a page regarding a link, like http://del.icio.us/url/b0b9aabd95b24fc3a6b63a294d7d92fd we have the show related items. Does it really need to open another window? Can't it just show or hide some information? Mostly to let users who are interested click to find out. Many people do not really care, it looks like. And can't the information be in the same format as links in the popular page? A bit of standardization would probably help. Not sure what this would look like. Dear Joshua, I have a much longer list of things I would like to see, but I tried to contain myself with things that were on topic of the current thread: delicious appearence and way to present information. Go ahead, that is what we are here for :) Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] pc mag delicious review
One thing I would find useful would be automatic grouping of related tags, or plurals. Things like game and games or recipe and recipes etc. On 10/24/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to see the two informations on the same page. Maybe the popular one as a side column. At the very least I would like not to have just a link from one page to the other, but in the tag page the information of how many items are in the popular page. This would tell me if it is worth at all opening that page or not.Interesting. Probably would require a smaller rendering of individual posts, I think. Also in the same page I would like to see the most active users that are using that tag. Or maybe ALL the users that have used that tag (in the links present in the page). In order of how commonly. Or maybe ordered as relative importance of that tag respect to all the tags they have (danger! some math involved). I know this is dangerous ground as it can easily turn on a positive feedback loop where people use common tags just to have their name on the sidebar. On the other hand when you are investigating a new tag you need to know who is using it.This could probably be done much like the related tags, I think. Right now this is generated offline but I've been thinking ofchanging it to dynamic; if we make it dynamic then this could be aneasy add-on I do agree that the popular page should be the front page, after all it represents the cream of the delicious experience. The most delicious delicious.We do have some plans to radically change the front page soon. But again I would like to see the two pages (popular and ?new popular) integrated. Can't we get a different color or an asterisk for new links?\Good idea. Another thing that I am really missing is, in the popular page, after each link, the 4 (or so) more common tags used to define it. Just the tip of the power law, would be so useful.This one has been on my todo list for quite some time; I just need tomake the query go faster. I miss the archive with the pages that were popular in the previous days. I use to find that page a much better source of info on what has happened when I have been away than newspapers, or inbox or external services.Yes, I liked that too. Another query issue there, too -- we changed it a while ago to use the last N posts (approximately one day'sworth) to calculate popularity instead of a single day.(Also I think we should lower the number of posts counted, that wouldmake it more dynamic a list) When we open a page regarding a link, like http://del.icio.us/url/b0b9aabd95b24fc3a6b63a294d7d92fd we have the show related items. Does it really need to open another window? Can't it just show or hide some information?Mostly to let users who are interested click to find out. Many peopledo not really care, it looks like. And can't the information be in the same format as links in the popular page? A bit of standardization would probably help.Not sure what this would look like. Dear Joshua, I have a much longer list of things I would like to see, but I tried to contain myself with things that were on topic of the current thread: delicious appearence and way to present information.Go ahead, that is what we are here for :) Joshua___discuss mailing listdiscuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] pc mag delicious review
At 04:07 PM 2005-10-23, Chris Lott wrote: Backchannel, someone mentioned Flock as one of those projects. I wonder if the real frontier doesn't lie a but more removed... for instance, some kind of shared schema for social bookmarking that would allow the services to interact. Maybe what we need most is a bookmarks version of RSS that everyone could more easily tap into so the whole space could explode. del.icio.us already has RSS feeds. I aggregate them with other social bookmark sites; I use Omea for an aggregator. My company has an internal social bookmarking service based on Scuttle. It is useful for bookmarking links that are not appropriate to put on del.icio.us. Folks in the Atom community are talking about profiles [1]. Perhaps an Atom profile could be defined for social bookmarking sites. [1] http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/msg17381.html Paul ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] inbox bookmarks
J, Actually I subscribe to both specific users and to specific tags. The downside to subscribing to specific tags is that I'm vulnerable to spam when people like: http://del.icio.us/dngrand/ decide to tag their 4 bookmarks with hundreds of tags. Duplicate collapsing would be very useful especially if I can then sort my inbox according to popularity against time -- this lets me find out what's the most popular link amongst the people I'm subscribed to today/this week/etc. On 10/24/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This happens with me. I used to subscribe to many interesting tags, but duplicates reduces the utility so much that I hardly bother reading the subscriptions. How much of a performance impact would collapsing duplicates be? (and I'm not sure how that would work with an rss subscription. remove duplicates between viewings? what if someone didn't view the inbox for months?) practically no performance impact, actually. but popular-within-my-inbox seems like a useful feature. i'm undecided. Oh, and if you keep the inbox, could you put number unread by each tag? I generally read subscriptions via bloglines anyway. it has that feature. how do we tell if an item is read -- remember lots of stuff is read via an RSS reader; it's hard to tell when something has been fetched by human agency or not currently, we do not do any click-tracking; there are ui pros and privacy cons there (although I suppose everyone else does it) joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] New search
Josh, With the new search, if I go to /jwbecher/ and search for say, 'api' then the resuilts for that show both mine and global. Not a real problem, except I have no edit or delete option on my results. Am I missing something? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] pc mag delicious review
On 10/24/05, Chris Lott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if the real frontier doesn't lie a but more removed... for instance, some kind of shared schema for social bookmarking that would allow the services to interact. Maybe what we need most is a bookmarks version of RSS that everyone could more easily tap into so the whole space could explode. Heartily agree. Tried flock, but since its value above standard Firefox depends on usage of two specific sites (one I do, one I dabble) I don't think there's a great (in the context of 100M Firefox downloads) future for flock. Until there are ways of integrating the client's choice of tag-site the way one can select search engines in Firefox, I think its an interesting experiment only. Problem for flock is, once that schema/protocol is established, it will be implemented in base Firefox, and their unique proposition will be diluted. Well, that's happened before, but the rate of standardisation and concomitant commoditisation is accelerating. Differentiation will remain in the ease with which the client manages those tag-site relationships. c Hamish. -- http://del.icio.us/Hamish.MacEwan ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] pc mag delicious review
On 10/24/05, Paul Denning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:07 PM 2005-10-23, Chris Lott wrote: Maybe what we need most is a bookmarks version of RSS that everyone could more easily tap into so the whole space could explode. del.icio.us already has RSS feeds. No, no. What I mean is an XML interchange format for the bookmarks themselves that formalized the data so that it would be easier to go from service to service and track other associated information *automatically*. Ultimately this would provide a better mechanism than RSS itself is (or maybe it could be some extension of RSS or ATOM, whatever) for interchange between services. I would like to be able to have links filtered and raised in status based on their presence and linking not just in del.icio.us, but in a federation of bookmark services... then we could maintain the scale that makes the social aspect work while allowing people to choose their own tools as front-ends: spurl, furl, del.icio.us, etc. c ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
