[zfs-discuss] directory tree removal issue with zfs on Blade 1500/PC rack server IDE disk

2006-10-05 Thread Stefan Urbat
I want to know, if anybody can check/confirm the following issue I observed with a fully patched Solaris 10 u2 with ZFS running on IDE disks and how the state of the IDE/ZFS issue is in general in the development of OpenSolaris resp. Nevada: I have observed the following issue: when I try to

Re: [zfs-discuss] directory tree removal issue with zfs on Blade 1500/PC rack server IDE disk

2006-10-05 Thread Casper . Dik
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Re: [zfs-discuss] directory tree removal issue with zfs on Blade 1500/PC rack server IDE disk

2006-10-05 Thread Wee Yeh Tan
Check the permission of your mountpoint after you unmount the dataset. Most likely, you have something like rwx--. On 10/5/06, Stefan Urbat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to know, if anybody can check/confirm the following issue I observed with a fully patched Solaris 10 u2 with ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] directory tree removal issue with zfs on Blade 1500/PC rack server IDE disk

2006-10-05 Thread Wee Yeh Tan
On 10/5/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unmount all the ZFS filesystems and check the permissions on the mount points and the paths leading up to them. I experienced the same problem and narrowed it down to that essentially, chdir(..) in rm -rf failed to ascend up the directory.

Re: [zfs-discuss] directory tree removal issue with zfs on Blade 1500/PC rack server IDE disk

2006-10-05 Thread Casper . Dik
On 10/5/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unmount all the ZFS filesystems and check the permissions on the mount points and the paths leading up to them. I experienced the same problem and narrowed it down to that essentially, chdir(..) in rm -rf failed to ascend up the directory.

[zfs-discuss] Re: directory tree removal issue with zfs on Blade 1500/PC rack server IDE disk

2006-10-05 Thread Stefan Urbat
On 10/5/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Should ZFS respect the umask setting even when it is creating the mountpoint? No (I think this is being fixed). Nice to hear, this is a very strange phenomenon as told. - Should Solaris (in general) ignore mountpoint

[zfs-discuss] Unbootable system recovery

2006-10-05 Thread Ewen Chan
I have just recently (physically) moved a system with 16 hard drives (for the array) and 1 OS drive; and in doing so, I needed to pull out the 16 drives so that it would be light enough for me to lift. When I plugged the drives back in, initially, it went into a panic-reboot loop. After doing

Re: [zfs-discuss] Unbootable system recovery

2006-10-05 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Ewen, Thursday, October 5, 2006, 11:13:04 AM, you wrote: Can you post at least panic info? -- Best regards, Robertmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://milek.blogspot.com ___

[zfs-discuss] Re: directory tree removal issue with zfs on Blade 1500/PC rack server IDE disk

2006-10-05 Thread Stefan Urbat
You were completely right in guessing the issue: after umount /export/home the ZFS residing there the wrong (?), but likely standard Solaris 10, not ufs affecting attribute mask was visible: 700. After changing this to 755 and mounting the ZFS thereon again, the issue was resolved completely.

[zfs-discuss] Crash when doing rm -rf

2006-10-05 Thread Simon Lundström
Not an really good subject, I know but that's kind of what happend. I'm trying to build an backup-solution server, Windows users using OSCAR (which uses rsync) to sync their files to an folder and when complete takes a snapshot. It has worked before but then I turned on the -R switch to rsync

[zfs-discuss] What's going to make it into 11/06?

2006-10-05 Thread Brian Hechinger
11/06 is just around the corner! What new ZFS features are going to make it into that release? -brian ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

[zfs-discuss] re: ZFS snapshot for running oracle instance

2006-10-05 Thread Zhisong Jin
would it possible to use ZFS snapshot as way to doing hot backup for oracle database? anybody have tried that? Thanks. Jason ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] re: ZFS snapshot for running oracle instance

2006-10-05 Thread Ceri Davies
On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 11:04:49AM -0400, Zhisong Jin wrote: would it possible to use ZFS snapshot as way to doing hot backup for oracle database? anybody have tried that? You would need to put the tablespaces with data files on the filesystem being snapped into backup mode while you take

[zfs-discuss] Versioning in ZFS: Do we need it?

2006-10-05 Thread Jeremy Teo
What would versioning of files in ZFS buy us over a zfs snapshots + cron solution? I can think of one: 1. The usefulness of the ability to get the prior version of anything at all (as richlowe puts it) Any others? -- Regards, Jeremy ___ zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] What's going to make it into 11/06?

2006-10-05 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Brian, See the previous posting about this below. You can read about these features in the ZFS Admin Guide. Cheers, Cindy Subject: Solaris 10 ZFS Update From: George Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:51:09 -0400 To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org We have putback a

Re: [zfs-discuss] What's going to make it into 11/06?

2006-10-05 Thread Jesus Cea
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cindy Swearingen wrote: See the previous posting about this below. You can read about these features in the ZFS Admin Guide. I miss the can remove a vdev if there is enough free space to move data around :-(. What about ZFS root?. And

Re: [zfs-discuss] What's going to make it into 11/06?

2006-10-05 Thread Darren Dunham
What about ZFS root?. And compatibility with Live Upgrade?. Any timetable estimation?. ZFS root has been previously announced as targeted for update 4. -- Darren Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Technical Consultant TAOS

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs mirror resurrection

2006-10-05 Thread Richard Elling - PAE
Dick Davies wrote: Need a bit of help salvaging a perfectly working ZFS mirror that I've managed to render unbootable. I've had a ZFS root (x86, mirored zpool, SXCR b46 ) working fine for months. I very foolishly decided to mirror /grub using SVM (so I could boot easily if a disk died).

Re: [zfs-discuss] What's going to make it into 11/06?

2006-10-05 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Darren Dunham wrote: What about ZFS root?. And compatibility with Live Upgrade?. Any timetable estimation?. ZFS root has been previously announced as targeted for update 4. ZFS root support will most likely not be available in Solaris 10 until update 5. (And of course this is subject to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: directory tree removal issue with zfs on Blade 1500/PC rack server IDE disk

2006-10-05 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Stefan Urbat wrote: By the way, I have to wait a few hours to umount and check mountpoint permissions, because an automated build is currently running on that zfs --- the performance of [EMAIL PROTECTED] is indeed rather poor (much worse than ufs), but this is another, already documented and bug

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Unbootable system recovery

2006-10-05 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Ewen Chan wrote: However, in order for me to lift the unit, I needed to pull the drives out so that it would actually be moveable, and in doing so, I think that the drive-cable-port allocation/assignment has changed. If that is the case, then ZFS would automatically figure out the new

Re: [zfs-discuss] A versioning FS

2006-10-05 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 11:19:19AM -0700, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: On 10/5/06, Jeremy Teo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would a version FS buy us that cron+ zfs snapshots doesn't? Finer granularity; no chance of missing a change. TOPS-20 did this, and it was *tremendously* useful .

Re: [zfs-discuss] A versioning FS

2006-10-05 Thread Richard Elling - PAE
Brian Hechinger wrote: On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 11:19:19AM -0700, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: On 10/5/06, Jeremy Teo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would a version FS buy us that cron+ zfs snapshots doesn't? Finer granularity; no chance of missing a change. TOPS-20 did this, and it was

Re: [zfs-discuss] A versioning FS

2006-10-05 Thread Casper . Dik
Brian Hechinger wrote: On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 11:19:19AM -0700, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: On 10/5/06, Jeremy Teo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would a version FS buy us that cron+ zfs snapshots doesn't? Finer granularity; no chance of missing a change. TOPS-20 did this, and it was

Re: [zfs-discuss] A versioning FS

2006-10-05 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On 10/5/06, Erik Trimble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doing versioning at the file-system layer allows block-level changes to be stored, so it doesn't consume enormous amounts of extra space. In fact, it's more efficient than any versioning software (CVS, SVN, teamware, etc) for storing versions.

Re: [zfs-discuss] A versioning FS

2006-10-05 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 04:08:13PM -0700, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: when you do your session-end cleanup. What the heck was that command on TOPS-20 anyway? Maybe purge? Sorry, 20-year-old memories are fuzzy on some details. It's PURGE under VMS, so knowing DEC, it was named PURGE under

[zfs-discuss] solaris-supported 8-port PCI-X SATA controller

2006-10-05 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
I've lucked into some big disks, so I'm thinking of biting the bullet (screaming loudly in the process) and superceding the SATA controllers on my motherboard with something that will work with hot-swap in Solaris. (did I mention before I'm still pissed about this?) I have enough to populate all

Re: [zfs-discuss] A versioning FS

2006-10-05 Thread Erik Trimble
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 16:08 -0700, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: On 10/5/06, Erik Trimble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doing versioning at the file-system layer allows block-level changes to be stored, so it doesn't consume enormous amounts of extra space. In fact, it's more efficient than any

Re: [zfs-discuss] A versioning FS

2006-10-05 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
A lot of this we're clearly not going to agree on and I've said what I had to contribute. There's one remaining point, though... On 10/5/06, Erik Trimble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 16:08 -0700, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Actually, save early and often is exactly why

Fwd: [zfs-discuss] solaris-supported 8-port PCI-X SATA controller

2006-10-05 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
Jason asked me to forward his reply on to the list, so here it is. Thanks, Jason, for the specifics! Very specific answers seem to be what's needed in this situation. -- Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Oct 5, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [zfs-discuss] A versioning FS

2006-10-05 Thread Erik Trimble
On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 17:25 -0700, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: Well, unless you have a better VCS than CVS or SVN. I first met this as an obscure, buggy, expensive, short-lived SUN product, actually; I believe it was called NSE, the Network Software Engineering environment. And I used one

Re: [zfs-discuss] Versioning in ZFS: Do we need it?

2006-10-05 Thread Wee Yeh Tan
Jeremy, The intended use of both are vastly different. A snapshot is a point-in-time image of a file system that as you have pointed out, may have missed several versions of changes regardless of frequency. Versioning (ala VAX -- ok, I feel old now) keeps versions of every changes up to a

Re: [zfs-discuss] single memory allocation in the ZFS intent log

2006-10-05 Thread Erblichs
Casper Dik, After my posting, I assumed that a code question should be directed to the ZFS code alias, so I apologize to the people show don't read code. However, since the discussion is here, I will post a code proof here. Just use time program to get a

Re: [zfs-discuss] A versioning FS

2006-10-05 Thread Wee Yeh Tan
On 10/6/06, David Dyer-Bennet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the big problems with CVS and SVN and Microsoft SourceSafe is that you don't have the benefits of version control most of the time, because all commits are *public*. David, That is exactly what branch is for in CVS and SVN. Dunno

Re: [zfs-discuss] A versioning FS

2006-10-05 Thread Frank Cusack
On October 5, 2006 5:25:17 PM -0700 David Dyer-Bennet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, unless you have a better VCS than CVS or SVN. I first met this as an obscure, buggy, expensive, short-lived SUN product, actually; I believe it was called NSE, the Network Software Engineering environment. And

Re: [zfs-discuss] A versioning FS

2006-10-05 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Oct 5, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: I find the unix conventions of storying a file and file~ or any of the other myriad billion ways of doing it that each app has invented to be much more unwieldy. sorry, storing a file, not storying --- Chad Leigh --

Re: [zfs-discuss] A versioning FS

2006-10-05 Thread Chad Lewis
On Oct 5, 2006, at 6:48 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: On October 5, 2006 5:25:17 PM -0700 David Dyer-Bennet [EMAIL PROTECTED] b.net wrote: Well, unless you have a better VCS than CVS or SVN. I first met this as an obscure, buggy, expensive, short-lived SUN product, actually; I believe it was

Re: [zfs-discuss] A versioning FS

2006-10-05 Thread Frank Cusack
On October 5, 2006 7:02:29 PM -0700 Chad Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 5, 2006, at 6:48 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: On October 5, 2006 5:25:17 PM -0700 David Dyer-Bennet [EMAIL PROTECTED] b.net wrote: Well, unless you have a better VCS than CVS or SVN. I first met this as an obscure,

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Unbootable system recovery

2006-10-05 Thread Akhilesh Mritunjai
Hi, Like what matt said, unless there is a bug in code, zfs should automatically figure out the drive mappings. The real problem as I see is using 16 drives in single raidz... which means if two drives malfunction, you're out of luck. (raidz2 would survive 2 drives... but still I believe 16

[zfs-discuss] Re: Unbootable system recovery

2006-10-05 Thread Ewen Chan
In the instructions, it says that the system retains a copy of the zpool cache in /etc/zfs/zpool.cache. It also said that when the system boots up, it looks to that to try and mount the pool, so to get out of the panic-reboot look, it said to delete that file. Well, I retained a copy of it

[zfs-discuss] Re: single memory allocation in the ZFS intent log

2006-10-05 Thread Anton B. Rang
Hi Mitchell, I do work for Sun, but I don't consider myself biased towards the slab allocator or any other Solaris or Sun code. I know we've got plenty of improvements to make! That said, your example is not multi-threaded. There are two major performance issues which come up with a list