Re: [zfs-discuss] system hangs on POST after giving zfs a drive

2006-10-12 Thread Chris Csanady
On 10/11/06, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As it turns out now, something about the drive is causing the machine to hang on POST. It boots fine if the drive isn't connected, and if I hot plug the drive after the machine boots, it works fine, but the computer simply will not boot

[zfs-discuss] Re: system hangs on POST after giving zfs a drive

2006-10-12 Thread John Sonnenschein
well, it's an SiS 960 board, and it appears my only option to turn off probing of the drives is to enable RAID mode (which makes them inacessable by the OS) what would be my next (cheapest) option, a proper SATA add-in card? I've heard good things about the silicon image 3132 based cards, but

[zfs-discuss] Re: Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Sergey
+ a little addition to the original quesion: Imagine that you have a RAID attached to Solaris server. There's ZFS on RAID. And someday you lost your server completely (fired motherboard, physical crash, ...). Is there any way to connect the RAID to some another server and restore ZFS layout

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Inexpensive SATA Whitebox

2006-10-12 Thread Zhiqi Ni - Sun China ERI (Beijing)
Hi Darren, The Solaris Operating System for x86 Installation Check Tool 1.1 is designed to report whether Solaris drivers are available for the devices the tool detects on a x86 system and determine quickly whether your system is likely to be able to install the Solaris OS. It is not

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: system hangs on POST after giving zfs a drive

2006-10-12 Thread Chris Csanady
On 10/12/06, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, it's an SiS 960 board, and it appears my only option to turn off probing of the drives is to enable RAID mode (which makes them inacessable by the OS) I think the option is in the standard CMOS setup section, and allows you to set

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Nathan Kroenert
I'll take a crack at this. First off, I'm assuming that the RAID you are talking about it provided by the hardware and not by ZFS. IF that's the case, then it will depend on the way you created the raid set, the bios of the controller, and whether or not these two things match up with any

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Inexpensive SATA Whitebox

2006-10-12 Thread Ceri Davies
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 06:36:28PM -0500, David Dyer-Bennet wrote: On 10/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more I learn about Solaris hardware support, the more I see it as a minefield. I've found this to be true for almost all open source platforms where you're

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Inexpensive SATA Whitebox

2006-10-12 Thread Paul Chambers
On 10/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are there any pci-e SATA cards that are supported ? I was hoping to go with a sempron64. Using old-pci seems like a waste. I recently built a am2 sempron64 based zfs box. motherboard: ASUS M2NPV-MX cpu: amd am2 sempron64 2800+ The

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Inexpensive SATA Whitebox

2006-10-12 Thread Dick Davies
On 11/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dick Davies wrote: On 11/10/06, Peter van Gemert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might want to check the HCL at http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl to find out which hardware is supported by Solaris 10. I tried that myself - there

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Dick Davies
On 12/10/06, Matthew Ahrens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, /etc/zfs/zpool.cache just tells us what pools to open when you boot up. Everything else (mountpoints, filesystems, etc) is stored in the pool itself. Does anyone know of any plans or strategies to remove this dependancy? -- Rasputin

Re: [nfs-discuss] Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: NFS Performance and Tar

2006-10-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Spencer Shepler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The close-to-open behavior of NFS clients is what ensures that the file data is on stable storage when close() returns. In the 1980s this was definitely not the case. When did this change? The meta-data requirements of NFS is what ensures that file

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread James C. McPherson
Dick Davies wrote: On 12/10/06, Matthew Ahrens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, /etc/zfs/zpool.cache just tells us what pools to open when you boot up. Everything else (mountpoints, filesystems, etc) is stored in the pool itself. Does anyone know of any plans or strategies to remove this

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Darren J Moffat
James C. McPherson wrote: Dick Davies wrote: On 12/10/06, Matthew Ahrens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, /etc/zfs/zpool.cache just tells us what pools to open when you boot up. Everything else (mountpoints, filesystems, etc) is stored in the pool itself. Does anyone know of any plans or

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Dick Davies
On 12/10/06, Michael Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James C. McPherson wrote: Dick Davies wrote: On 12/10/06, Matthew Ahrens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, /etc/zfs/zpool.cache just tells us what pools to open when you boot up. Everything else (mountpoints, filesystems, etc) is stored in

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS Inexpensive SATA Whitebox

2006-10-12 Thread clockwork
Yeah, I looked at the tool. Unfortunately it doesnt help at all with choosing what to buy.On 10/12/06, Dick Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 11/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dick Davies wrote: On 11/10/06, Peter van Gemert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might want to check

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Ceri Davies
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:49:48PM -0700, Matthew Ahrens wrote: James McPherson wrote: On 10/12/06, Steve Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the ZFS configuration (zpools, mountpoints, filesystems, etc) data stored within Solaris? Is there something akin to vfstab or perhaps a

[zfs-discuss] Best way to carve up 8 disks

2006-10-12 Thread Brian Hechinger
Ok, previous threads have lead me to believe that I want to make raidz vdevs [0] either 3, 5 or 9 disks in size [1]. Let's say I have 8 disks. Do I want to create a zfs pool with a 5-disk vdev and a 3-disk vdev? Are there performance issues with mixing differently sized raidz vdevs in a pool? If

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 05:46:24PM +1000, Nathan Kroenert wrote: A few of the RAID controllers I have played with has an option to 'rebuild' a raid set, which I get the impression (though have never tried) allows you to essentially tell the controller there is a raid set there, and if you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Dick Davies
On 12/10/06, Ceri Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:49:48PM -0700, Matthew Ahrens wrote: FYI, /etc/zfs/zpool.cache just tells us what pools to open when you boot up. Everything else (mountpoints, filesystems, etc) is stored in the pool itself. What happens if the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Darren J Moffat
Dick Davies wrote: On 12/10/06, Michael Schuster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James C. McPherson wrote: Dick Davies wrote: On 12/10/06, Matthew Ahrens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, /etc/zfs/zpool.cache just tells us what pools to open when you boot up. Everything else (mountpoints,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Ceri Davies
On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 02:06:15PM +0100, Dick Davies wrote: On 12/10/06, Ceri Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:49:48PM -0700, Matthew Ahrens wrote: FYI, /etc/zfs/zpool.cache just tells us what pools to open when you boot up. Everything else (mountpoints,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Ceri Davies
On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 07:53:37AM -0600, Mark Maybee wrote: Ceri Davies wrote: On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:49:48PM -0700, Matthew Ahrens wrote: James McPherson wrote: On 10/12/06, Steve Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the ZFS configuration (zpools, mountpoints, filesystems,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Ceri Davies
On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 02:54:05PM +0100, Ceri Davies wrote: On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 02:06:15PM +0100, Dick Davies wrote: On 12/10/06, Ceri Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:49:48PM -0700, Matthew Ahrens wrote: FYI, /etc/zfs/zpool.cache just tells us what pools

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best way to carve up 8 disks

2006-10-12 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 08:52:34AM -0500, Al Hopper wrote: On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, Brian Hechinger wrote: Ok, previous threads have lead me to believe that I want to make raidz vdevs [0] either 3, 5 or 9 disks in size [1]. Let's say I have 8 disks. Do I want to create a zfs pool with a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Inexpensive SATA Whitebox

2006-10-12 Thread Al Hopper
On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, Ian Collins wrote: Al Hopper wrote: On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Dana H. Myers wrote: Al Hopper wrote: Memory: DDR-400 - your choice but Kingston is always a safe bet. 2*512Mb sticks for a starter, cost effective, system. 4*512Mb for a good long term solution.

[zfs-discuss] Re: Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Anton B. Rang
The configuration data is stored on the disk devices themselves, at least primarily. There is also a copy of the basic configuration data in the file /etc/zfs/zpool.cache on the boot device. If this file is missing, ZFS will not automatically import pools, but you can manually import them.

[zfs-discuss] Re: zfs/raid configuration question for an application

2006-10-12 Thread Anton B. Rang
Mirroring will give you the best performance for small write operations. If you can get by with two disks, I’d divide each of them into two slices, s0 and s1, say. Set up an SVM mirror between d0s0 and d1s0 and use that for your root. Set up a ZFS mirror between d0s1 and d1s1 and use that for

Re: [nfs-discuss] Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: NFS Performance and Tar

2006-10-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Spencer Shepler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Joerg Schilling wrote: Spencer Shepler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The close-to-open behavior of NFS clients is what ensures that the file data is on stable storage when close() returns. In the 1980s this was definitely not the case.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Michael Schuster
Ceri Davies wrote: On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 02:06:15PM +0100, Dick Davies wrote: On 12/10/06, Ceri Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:49:48PM -0700, Matthew Ahrens wrote: FYI, /etc/zfs/zpool.cache just tells us what pools to open when you boot up. Everything else

[zfs-discuss] Re: zfs/raid configuration question for an application

2006-10-12 Thread mete
Quite helpful, thank you. I think I should set the zfs mirror block size to 8K to match it with db, right ? and do you think I should create another zfs mirror for transaction log of pgsql ? or is this only useful if I create zfs mirror on a different set of disks but not slices ? Mete

Re: [nfs-discuss] Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: NFS Performance and Tar

2006-10-12 Thread Spencer Shepler
On Thu, Joerg Schilling wrote: Spencer Shepler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Joerg Schilling wrote: Spencer Shepler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The close-to-open behavior of NFS clients is what ensures that the file data is on stable storage when close() returns. In the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Darren Dunham
I was asking if it was going to be replaced because it would really simplify ZFS root. Dick. [0] going from: http://solaristhings.blogspot.com/2006/06/zfs-root-on-solaris-part-3.html I don't know about replaced, but presumably with the addition of hostid to the pool data, it could be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Torrey McMahon
James C. McPherson wrote: Dick Davies wrote: On 12/10/06, Matthew Ahrens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, /etc/zfs/zpool.cache just tells us what pools to open when you boot up. Everything else (mountpoints, filesystems, etc) is stored in the pool itself. Does anyone know of any plans or

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Bart Smaalders
Sergey wrote: + a little addition to the original quesion: Imagine that you have a RAID attached to Solaris server. There's ZFS on RAID. And someday you lost your server completely (fired motherboard, physical crash, ...). Is there any way to connect the RAID to some another server and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best way to carve up 8 disks

2006-10-12 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Brian Hechinger wrote: Ok, previous threads have lead me to believe that I want to make raidz vdevs [0] either 3, 5 or 9 disks in size [1]. Let's say I have 8 disks. Do I want to create a zfs pool with a 5-disk vdev and a 3-disk vdev? Are there performance issues with mixing differently sized

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Steven Goldberg
Thanks Matt. So is the config/meta info for the pool that is stored within the pool kept in a file? Is the file user readable or binary? Steve Matthew Ahrens wrote: James McPherson wrote: On 10/12/06, Steve Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the ZFS configuration

Re: [zfs-discuss] Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Steven Goldberg wrote: Thanks Matt. So is the config/meta info for the pool that is stored within the pool kept in a file? Is the file user readable or binary? It is not user-readable. See the on-disk format document, linked here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/ --matt

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Where is the ZFS configuration data stored?

2006-10-12 Thread Torrey McMahon
Bart Smaalders wrote: Sergey wrote: + a little addition to the original quesion: Imagine that you have a RAID attached to Solaris server. There's ZFS on RAID. And someday you lost your server completely (fired motherboard, physical crash, ...). Is there any way to connect the RAID to some

[zfs-discuss] Re: [nfs-discuss] Re: Re: NFS Performance and Tar

2006-10-12 Thread Anton B. Rang
fsync() should theoretically be better because O_SYNC requires that each write() include writing not only the data but also the inode and all indirect blocks back to the disk. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

[zfs-discuss] Re: zfs/raid configuration question for an application

2006-10-12 Thread Anton B. Rang
Yes, set the block size to 8K, to avoid a read-modify-write cycle inside ZFS. As you suggest, using a separate mirror for the transaction log will only be useful if you're on different disks -- otherwise you will be forcing the disk head to move back and forth between slices each time you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: zfs/raid configuration question for an application

2006-10-12 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Anton, Thursday, October 12, 2006, 11:45:40 PM, you wrote: ABR Yes, set the block size to 8K, to avoid a read-modify-write cycle inside ZFS. Unfortunately it won't help on 06/06 until patch is released to fix a bug (not to read old block if it's overwritten). However it still is wise to

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS patches for S10 6/06

2006-10-12 Thread Dale Ghent
On Oct 5, 2006, at 2:28 AM, George Wilson wrote: Andreas, The first ZFS patch will be released in the upcoming weeks. For now, the latest available bits are the ones from s10 6/06. George, will there at least be a T patch available? I'm anxious for these because my ZFS-backed NFS server

[zfs-discuss] Thumper and ZFS

2006-10-12 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello zfs-discuss, While waiting for Thumpers to come I'm thinking how to configure them. I would like to use raid-z. As thumper has 6 SATA controllers each 8-port then maybe it would make sense to create raid-z groups from 6 disks each from separate controller. Then combine 7 such