Re: [zfs-discuss] Question: ZFS + Block level SHA256 ~= almost free CAS Squishing?

2007-01-10 Thread Wade . Stuart
Dick Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/10/2007 05:26:45 AM: On 08/01/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that in addition to lzjb compression, squishing blocks that contain the same data would buy a lot of space for administrators working in many common

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-10 Thread Tom Buskey
[i]I think the original poster, was thinking that non-enterprise users would be most interested in only having to *purchase* one drive at a time. Enterprise users aren't likely to balk at purchasing 6-10 drives at a time, so for them adding an additional *new* RaidZ to stripe across is easier.

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-10 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Kyle, Wednesday, January 10, 2007, 5:33:12 PM, you wrote: KM Remember though that it's been mathematically figured that the KM disadvantages to RaidZ start to show up after 9 or 10 drives. (That's Well, nothing like this was proved and definitely not mathematically. It's just a common

Re: [zfs-discuss] Limit ZFS Memory Utilization

2007-01-10 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
Hi Guys, After reading through the discussion on this regarding ZFS memory fragmentation on snv_53 (and forward) and going through our ::kmastat...looks like ZFS is sucking down about 544 MB of RAM in the various caches. About 360MB of that is in the zio_buf_65536 cache. Next most notable is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-10 Thread Kyle McDonald
Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Kyle, Wednesday, January 10, 2007, 5:33:12 PM, you wrote: KM Remember though that it's been mathematically figured that the KM disadvantages to RaidZ start to show up after 9 or 10 drives. (That's Well, nothing like this was proved and definitely not

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-10 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
Hi Kyle, I think there was a lot of talk about this behavior on the RAIDZ2 vs. RAID-10 thread. My understanding from that discussion was that every write stripes the block across all disks on a RAIDZ/Z2 group, thereby making writing the group no faster than writing to a single disk. However

[zfs-discuss] Re: Why is + not allowed in a ZFS file system name ?

2007-01-10 Thread roland
# zpool create 500megpool /home/roland/tmp/500meg.dat cannot create '500megpool': name must begin with a letter pool name may have been omitted huh? ok - no problem if special characters aren`t allowed, but why _this_ weird looking limitaton ? This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-10 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Jason, Wednesday, January 10, 2007, 10:54:29 PM, you wrote: JJWW Hi Kyle, JJWW I think there was a lot of talk about this behavior on the RAIDZ2 vs. JJWW RAID-10 thread. My understanding from that discussion was that every JJWW write stripes the block across all disks on a RAIDZ/Z2 group,

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Limit ZFS Memory Utilization

2007-01-10 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Jason, Wednesday, January 10, 2007, 9:45:05 PM, you wrote: JJWW Sanjeev Robert, JJWW Thanks guys. We put that in place last night and it seems to be doing JJWW a lot better job of consuming less RAM. We set it to 4GB and each of JJWW our 2 MySQL instances on the box to a max of 4GB. So

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-10 Thread Wade . Stuart
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 01/10/2007 05:16:33 PM: Hello Jason, Wednesday, January 10, 2007, 10:54:29 PM, you wrote: JJWW Hi Kyle, JJWW I think there was a lot of talk about this behavior on the RAIDZ2 vs. JJWW RAID-10 thread. My understanding from that discussion was that every

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-10 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
Hi Robert, I read the following section from http://blogs.sun.com/roch/entry/when_to_and_not_to as indicating random writes to a RAID-Z had the performance of a single disk regardless of the group size: Effectively, as a first approximation, an N-disk RAID-Z group will behave as a single

Re[4]: [zfs-discuss] Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-10 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Jason, Thursday, January 11, 2007, 12:46:32 AM, you wrote: JJWW Hi Robert, JJWW I read the following section from JJWW http://blogs.sun.com/roch/entry/when_to_and_not_to as indicating JJWW random writes to a RAID-Z had the performance of a single disk JJWW regardless of the group size:

Re[4]: [zfs-discuss] Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-10 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Wade, Thursday, January 11, 2007, 12:30:40 AM, you wrote: WSfc Long story short, I wiped and reinstalled with U3 and raidz2 with WSfc hostspares like it should have had in the first place. The same here. Besides I always put my own system and I'm not using preinstalled ones - except

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-10 Thread Peter Schuller
It's just a common sense advise - for many users keeping raidz groups below 9 disks should give good enough performance. However if someone creates raidz group of 48 disks he/she probable expects also performance and in general raid-z wouldn't offer one. There is at least one reason for

Re: Re[4]: [zfs-discuss] Limit ZFS Memory Utilization

2007-01-10 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
Hi Robert, We've got the default ncsize. I didn't see any advantage to increasing it outside of NFS serving...which this server is not. For speed the X4500 is showing to be a killer MySQL platform. Between the blazing fast procs and the sheer number of spindles, its perfromance is tremendous. If

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Why is + not allowed in a ZFS file system name ?

2007-01-10 Thread Toby Thain
On 10-Jan-07, at 5:29 PM, roland wrote: # zpool create 500megpool /home/roland/tmp/500meg.dat cannot create '500megpool': name must begin with a letter pool name may have been omitted huh? ok - no problem if special characters aren`t allowed, but why _this_ weird looking limitaton ?

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-10 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Peter, Thursday, January 11, 2007, 1:08:38 AM, you wrote: It's just a common sense advise - for many users keeping raidz groups below 9 disks should give good enough performance. However if someone creates raidz group of 48 disks he/she probable expects also performance and in general

Re[6]: [zfs-discuss] Limit ZFS Memory Utilization

2007-01-10 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Jason, Thursday, January 11, 2007, 1:10:10 AM, you wrote: JJWW Hi Robert, JJWW We've got the default ncsize. I didn't see any advantage to increasing JJWW it outside of NFS serving...which this server is not. For speed the JJWW X4500 is showing to be a killer MySQL platform. Between the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Limit ZFS Memory Utilization

2007-01-10 Thread Mark Maybee
Jason J. W. Williams wrote: Hi Robert, Thank you! Holy mackerel! That's a lot of memory. With that type of a calculation my 4GB arc_max setting is still in the danger zone on a Thumper. I wonder if any of the ZFS developers could shed some light on the calculation? In a worst-case scenario,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Limit ZFS Memory Utilization

2007-01-10 Thread Erblichs
Hey guys, Do to lng URL lookups, the DNLC was pushed to variable sized entries. The hit rate was dropping because of name to long misses. This was done long ago while I was at Sun under a bug reported by me.. I don't know your usage, but you should

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re[2]: Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-10 Thread Martin
Hello Kyle, Wednesday, January 10, 2007, 5:33:12 PM, you wrote: KM Remember though that it's been mathematically figured that the KM disadvantages to RaidZ start to show up after 9 or 10 drives. (That's Well, nothing like this was proved and definitely not mathematically. It's

Re: [zfs-discuss] Limit ZFS Memory Utilization

2007-01-10 Thread Al Hopper
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Mark Maybee wrote: Jason J. W. Williams wrote: Hi Robert, Thank you! Holy mackerel! That's a lot of memory. With that type of a calculation my 4GB arc_max setting is still in the danger zone on a Thumper. I wonder if any of the ZFS developers could shed some light

[zfs-discuss] ZFS entry in /etc/vfstab

2007-01-10 Thread Vahid Moghaddasi
Hi, Why would I ever need to specify ZFS mount(s) in /etc/vfstab at all? I see it in some documents that zfs can be defined in /etc/vfstab with fstype zfs. Thanks. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

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