Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-08-01 Thread Ross
Going back to your USB remove test, if you protect that disk at the ZFS level, such as a mirror, then when the disk is removed then it will be detected as removed and zfs status will show its state as removed and the pool as degraded but it will continue to function, as expected. -- richard

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-08-01 Thread Brent Jones
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Going back to your USB remove test, if you protect that disk at the ZFS level, such as a mirror, then when the disk is removed then it will be detected as removed and zfs status will show its state as removed and the pool as

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-08-01 Thread Ross Smith
Hey Brent, On the Sun hardware like the Thumper you do get a nice bright blue ready to remove led as soon as you issue the cfgadm -c unconfigure xxx command. On other hardware it takes a little more care, I'm labelling our drive bays up *very* carefully to ensure we always remove the right

Re: [zfs-discuss] Replacing the boot HDDs in x4500

2008-08-01 Thread Ross
I'd expect that to work personally, although I'd just drop one of your boot mirrors in myself. That leaves the second drive untouched for your other server. It also means that if it works you could just wipe the old snv_70b and re-establish the boot mirrors on each server with them. This

Re: [zfs-discuss] Replacing the boot HDDs in x4500

2008-08-01 Thread Ross
Wipe the snv_70b disks I meant. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs-auto-snapshot 0.11 work (was Re: zfs-auto-snapshot with at schedul

2008-08-01 Thread Darren J Moffat
Tim Foster wrote: can roles run cron jobs ?), No. You need a user who can take on the role. Darn, back to the drawing board. I don't have all the context on this but Solaris RBAC roles *can* run cron jobs. Roles don't have to have users assigned to them. Roles normally have passwords and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-08-01 Thread Enda O'Connor ( Sun Micro Systems Ireland)
Dave wrote: Enda O'Connor wrote: As for thumpers, once 138053-02 ( marvell88sx driver patch ) releases within the next two weeks ( assuming no issues found ), then the thumper platform running s10 updates will be up to date in terms of marvel88sx driver fixes, which fixes some pretty

Re: [zfs-discuss] Replacing the boot HDDs in x4500

2008-08-01 Thread Ross
But zfs send/receive is very different to zfs import. I'm not sure if zfs send/receive work across different versions of zfs, I vaguely remember reading something about it not working, but can't find anything specific about it right now. I do think a zfs import after booting from the new

[zfs-discuss] ButterFS

2008-08-01 Thread dick hoogendijk
I read this just now in the Unix Guardian: quote BTRFS, pronounced ButterFS: BTRFS was launched in June 2007, and is a POSIX-compliant file system that will support very large files and volumes (16 exabytes) and a ridiculous number of files (two to the power of 64 files, to be precise). The file

Re: [zfs-discuss] Replacing the boot HDDs in x4500

2008-08-01 Thread Jorgen Lundman
Ross wrote: I do think a zfs import after booting from the new drives should work fine, and it doesn't automatically upgrade the pool, so you can still go back to snv_70b if needed. Alas, it would be downgrade. Which is why I think it will fail. PS. In your first post you said you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-08-01 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Ross, I know personally many environments using ZFS in a production for quite some time. Quite often in business critical environments. Some of them are small, some of them are rather large (hundreds of TBs), some of them are clustered. Different usages like file servers, MySQL on ZFS,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Replacing the boot HDDs in x4500

2008-08-01 Thread Jorgen Lundman
Ross wrote: Not if you don't upgrade the pool it won't. ZFS can import and work with an old version of the filesystem fine. The manual page for zpool upgrade says: Older versions can continue to be used Just import it on Solaris 5/08 without doing the upgrade. Your ZFS pool will be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8 hang when drive removed

2008-08-01 Thread Andrew Hisgen
Question embedded below... Richard Elling wrote: ... If you surf to http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-HC you'll see words to the effect that, The pool has experienced I/O failures. Since the ZFS pool property 'failmode' is set to 'wait', all I/Os (reads and writes) are blocked. See the

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-08-01 Thread Steve
I didn't throughly search, but it seems that newegg doesn't have any micro atx mb with the chipset specified on wikipedia that is supporting ECC!... (query: Form Factor[Micro ATX ],North Bridge[Intel 925X ],North Bridge[Intel 975X ],North Bridge[Intel X38 ],North Bridge[Intel X48 ]) So, better

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-08-01 Thread Florin Iucha
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 06:37:29AM -0700, Steve wrote: So, better AMD with ECC but not optimal power mgt (and seems cheaper), or Intel with NO-ECC but power mgt? How about we complain enough to shame somebody into adding power management to the K8 chips? We can start by reminding SUN on how

Re: [zfs-discuss] ButterFS

2008-08-01 Thread Michael Schuster
dick hoogendijk wrote: I read this just now in the Unix Guardian: quote BTRFS, pronounced ButterFS: BTRFS was launched in June 2007, and is a POSIX-compliant file system that will support very large files and volumes (16 exabytes) and a ridiculous number of files (two to the power of 64

Re: [zfs-discuss] Replacing the boot HDDs in x4500

2008-08-01 Thread Ian Collins
Ross wrote: Wipe the snv_70b disks I meant. What disks? This message makes no sense without context. Context free messages are a pain in the arse for those of us who use the mail list. Ian ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] Replacing the boot HDDs in x4500

2008-08-01 Thread Ross Smith
Sorry Ian, I was posting on the forum and missed the word disks from my previous post. I'm still not used to Sun's mutant cross of a message board / mailing list. Ross Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:08:08 +1200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8 hang when drive removed

2008-08-01 Thread Richard Elling
Hi Andy, answer pointer below... Andrew Hisgen wrote: Question embedded below... Richard Elling wrote: ... If you surf to http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-HC you'll see words to the effect that, The pool has experienced I/O failures. Since the ZFS pool property 'failmode' is set to

Re: [zfs-discuss] The best motherboard for a home ZFS fileserver

2008-08-01 Thread Richard Elling
Florin Iucha wrote: On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 06:37:29AM -0700, Steve wrote: So, better AMD with ECC but not optimal power mgt (and seems cheaper), or Intel with NO-ECC but power mgt? How about we complain enough to shame somebody into adding power management to the K8 chips? We

Re: [zfs-discuss] Terrible zfs performance under NFS load

2008-08-01 Thread Chris Siebenmann
| Syslog is funny in that it does a lot of open/write/close cycles so | that rotate can work trivially. I don't know of any version of syslog that does this (certainly Solaris 10 U5 syslog does not). The traditional syslog(d) performance issue is that it fsync()'s after writing each log message,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ButterFS

2008-08-01 Thread Neal Pollack
dick hoogendijk wrote: I read this just now in the Unix Guardian: quote BTRFS, pronounced ButterFS: BTRFS was launched in June 2007, and is a POSIX-compliant file system that will support very large files and volumes (16 exabytes) and a ridiculous number of files (two to the power of 64

[zfs-discuss] What's the best way to get pool vdev structure information?

2008-08-01 Thread Chris Siebenmann
For various sorts of manageability reasons[*], I need to be able to extract information about the vdev and device structure of our ZFS pools (partly because we're using iSCSI and MPXIO, which create basically opaque device names). Unfortunately Solaris 10 U5 doesn't seem to currently provide any

Re: [zfs-discuss] ButterFS

2008-08-01 Thread Vincent Fox
Once upon a time I ran a lab with a whole bunch of SGI workstations. A company that barely exists now. This ButterFS may be the Next Big Thing. But I recall one time how hot everyone was for Reiser. Look how that turned out. 3 years is an entire production lifecycle for the systems in this

Re: [zfs-discuss] Terrible zfs performance under NFS load

2008-08-01 Thread Miles Nordin
cs == Chris Siebenmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cs (Some versions of syslog let you turn this off for specific cs log files, which is very useful for high volume, low cs importance ones.) To ensure that kernel messages are written to disk promptly, syslogd(8)

[zfs-discuss] ZFS with Samba and the previous versions-tab under Windows explorer

2008-08-01 Thread Rene
Hello, I'm testing Ed Plese's Samba patches. As far as I understood his comments on http://www.edplese.com/samba-with-zfs.html I should see a previous version tab in the Windows explorer (explained on: http://www.petri.co.il/how_to_use_the_shadow_copy_client.htm) on my Samba/ZFS-share. But

[zfs-discuss] Diagnosing problems after botched upgrade - grub busted

2008-08-01 Thread Johan Hartzenberg
I tried to be clever and botched my upgrade. Now I don't get a grub menu, only an error like this: = Booting 'BE3 Solaris xVM' findroot (BE_BE3,1,a) Error 15: File not found Press any key to continue = I do not see a grub menu prior to this error,

Re: [zfs-discuss] 200805 Grub problems

2008-08-01 Thread Johan Hartzenberg
Hello kugutsumen, Did you have any luck in resolving your problems? On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Kugutsumen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I've just installed 2008.05 on a 500 gig disk... Install went fine... I attached an identically partitioned and labeled disk as soon as the rpool was

Re: [zfs-discuss] Diagnosing problems after botched upgrade - grub busted

2008-08-01 Thread Johan Hartzenberg
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:43 PM, Johan Hartzenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: [snip] I could now just re-install and recover my data (I keep my data far away from OS disks/pools), or I can try to fix grub. I hope to learn from this process so my questions are: 1. What is up with grub here? I

[zfs-discuss] Announcing the OpenSolaris Storage Summit

2008-08-01 Thread Mark A. Carlson
The date for the OpenSolaris Storage Summit has been set. We will be hosting the event at the Santa Clara Hyatt Regency hotel on the 21st of September, 2008. This is right before this year's Storage Developer Conference at which Sun is a Platinum sponsor. We already have a couple of keynote

[zfs-discuss] 'legacy' mount after installing B95

2008-08-01 Thread Alan Burlison
NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT pool/ROOT 5.58G 53.4G18K legacy What's the legacy mount for? Is it related to zones? thanks, -- Alan Burlison -- ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] 'legacy' mount after installing B95

2008-08-01 Thread Lori Alt
Alan Burlison wrote: NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT pool/ROOT 5.58G 53.4G18K legacy What's the legacy mount for? Is it related to zones? Basically, it means that we don't want it mounted at all because it's a placeholder dataset. It's just a container

Re: [zfs-discuss] 'legacy' mount after installing B95

2008-08-01 Thread Alan Burlison
Lori Alt wrote: Basically, it means that we don't want it mounted at all because it's a placeholder dataset. It's just a container for all the boot environments on the system. Though, now that I think about it, we should have made it none. Ok, thanks for the explanation :-) -- Alan

[zfs-discuss] Disabling disks' write-cache in J4200 with ZFS?

2008-08-01 Thread Todd E. Moore
I want to disable write cache on the disk drives in our J4200 JBODs so that fsync() actually writes to disk, not just to the cache on the drive. I did this using 'format -e', but it displays a warning about the drive being part of a zpool and also it says that the change is not permanent.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Can I trust ZFS?

2008-08-01 Thread Brent Jones
I have done a bit of testing, and so far so good really. I have a Dell 1800 with a Perc4e and a 14 drive Dell Powervault 220S. I have a RaidZ2 volume named 'tank' that spans 6 drives. I have made 1 drive available as a spare to ZFS. Normal array: # zpool status pool: tank state: ONLINE

[zfs-discuss] How to get a file's crtime attribute from a znode?

2008-08-01 Thread Todd E. Moore
I'm used to using fstat() and other calls to get atime, ctime, and mtime values, but I understand that the znode also stores a files creation time in crtime attribute. Which system call can I use to retrieve this information? -- Todd E. Moore Sun Microsystems Incorporated 443.516.4002 AIM:

[zfs-discuss] Booting from a USB HD

2008-08-01 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
I installed OS 2008.05 onto a USB HD (WD Passport), and was able to boot from it (knock on wood!). However, when plugged into a different machine, I then am unable to boot from it. Is there any permission issue that I must address on this ZFS HD before I can boot from it? This message

Re: [zfs-discuss] Booting from a USB HD

2008-08-01 Thread sanjay nadkarni (Laptop)
W. Wayne Liauh wrote: I installed OS 2008.05 onto a USB HD (WD Passport), and was able to boot from it (knock on wood!). However, when plugged into a different machine, I then am unable to boot from it. Is there any permission issue that I must address on this ZFS HD before I can boot

Re: [zfs-discuss] Booting from a USB HD

2008-08-01 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
W. Wayne Liauh wrote: I installed OS 2008.05 onto a USB HD (WD Passport), and was able to boot from it (knock on wood!). However, when plugged into a different machine, I then am unable to boot from it. Is there any permission issue that I must address on this ZFS HD before I can

Re: [zfs-discuss] Disabling disks' write-cache in J4200 with ZFS?

2008-08-01 Thread Richard Elling
Todd E. Moore wrote: I want to disable write cache on the disk drives in our J4200 JBODs so that fsync() actually writes to disk, not just to the cache on the drive. ZFS will do this for you, via the way the ZIL works. Neil explains it pretty well at