Re: [zfs-discuss] 'zfs recv' is very slow

2008-12-06 Thread Ian Collins
Ian Collins wrote: Andrew Gabriel wrote: Ian Collins wrote: I've just finished a small application to couple zfs_send and zfs_receive through a socket to remove ssh from the equation and the speed up is better than 2x. I have a small (140K) buffer on the sending side to ensure the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problem with ZFS and ACL with GDM

2008-12-06 Thread Tomas Ă–gren
On 05 December, 2008 - Brian Cameron sent me these 1,5K bytes: I am the maintainer of GDM, and I am noticing that GDM has a problem when running on a ZFS filesystem, as with Indiana. When GDM (the GNOME Display Manager) starts the login GUI, it runs the following commands on Solaris:

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS fragments 32 bits RAM? Problem?

2008-12-06 Thread Orvar Korvar
Its not me. There are people on Linux forums that wont to try out Solaris + ZFS and this is a concern, for them. What should I tell them? That it is not fixed? That they have reboot every week? Someone knows? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problem with ZFS and ACL with GDM

2008-12-06 Thread Mark Shellenbaum
However, I notice that when using ZFS on Indiana the above commands fail with the following error: File system doesn't support aclent_t style ACL's. See acl(5) for more information on ACL styles support by Solaris. What is the appropriate command to use with ZFS? You can use

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS fragments 32 bits RAM? Problem?

2008-12-06 Thread Toby Thain
On 6-Dec-08, at 7:10 AM, Orvar Korvar wrote: Its not me. There are people on Linux forums that wont to try out Solaris + ZFS and this is a concern, for them. What should I tell them? That it is not fixed? That they have reboot every week? Someone knows? That it's not recommended for

[zfs-discuss] SMART data

2008-12-06 Thread Joe S
How do I get SMART data from my drives? I'm running snv_101 on AMD64. I have 6x SATA disks. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS fragments 32 bits RAM? Problem?

2008-12-06 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:31:06AM -0500, Toby Thain wrote: Its not me. There are people on Linux forums that wont to try out Solaris + ZFS and this is a concern, for them. What should I tell them? That it is not fixed? That they have reboot every week? Someone knows? That it's

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS fragments 32 bits RAM? Problem?

2008-12-06 Thread Tim
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Brian Hechinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 11:31:06AM -0500, Toby Thain wrote: Its not me. There are people on Linux forums that wont to try out Solaris + ZFS and this is a concern, for them. What should I tell them? That it is

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS fragments 32 bits RAM? Problem?

2008-12-06 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 12:42:44PM -0600, Tim wrote: Solaris + ZFS and this is a concern Sounds to me like they want to try out solaris + zfs, not zfs on fuse. Ooops, misread what he said. Sorry about that. I suppose my original comment still stands then. :) -brian -- Coding in C is like

Re: [zfs-discuss] 'zfs recv' is very slow

2008-12-06 Thread Ian Collins
Richard Elling wrote: Ian Collins wrote: Ian Collins wrote: Andrew Gabriel wrote: Ian Collins wrote: I've just finished a small application to couple zfs_send and zfs_receive through a socket to remove ssh from the equation and the speed up is better than 2x. I have a small (140K)

[zfs-discuss] How to compile mbuffer

2008-12-06 Thread Julius Roberts
Hi guys, i've been following the [zfs-discuss] 'zfs recv' is very slow thread and i believe i have the same issue; we get ~10MB/sec sending large incrimental data sets using zfs send | ssh | zfs recv. I'd like to try mbuffer. We're running Solaris Express Developers Edition (SunOS murray 5.11

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS fragments 32 bits RAM? Problem?

2008-12-06 Thread Joseph Mocker
Does PAE help things at all on 32-bit ? Brian Hechinger wrote: On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 12:42:44PM -0600, Tim wrote: Solaris + ZFS and this is a concern Sounds to me like they want to try out solaris + zfs, not zfs on fuse. Ooops, misread what he said. Sorry about that. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to compile mbuffer

2008-12-06 Thread Mike Futerko
Hello i've been following the [zfs-discuss] 'zfs recv' is very slow thread and i believe i have the same issue; we get ~10MB/sec sending large incrimental data sets using zfs send | ssh | zfs recv. I'd like to try mbuffer. We're running Solaris Express Developers Edition (SunOS murray 5.11

Re: [zfs-discuss] Status of zpool remove in raidz and non-redundant stripes

2008-12-06 Thread Ross
If I remember right, the code needed for this has implications for a lot of things: - defrag - adding disks to raidz zvols - removing disks from vols - restriping volumes (to give consistent performance after expansion) In fact, I just found the question I asked a year or so back, which had a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Status of zpool remove in raidz and non-redundant stripes

2008-12-06 Thread Al Tobey
They also mentioned this at some of the ZFS talks at LISA 2008.The general argument is that, while plenty of hobbyists are clamoring for this, not enough paying customers are asking to make it a high enough priority to get done. If you think about it, the code is not only complicated but

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS fragments 32 bits RAM? Problem?

2008-12-06 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Sat, Dec 06, 2008 at 01:36:35PM -0800, Joseph Mocker wrote: Does PAE help things at all on 32-bit ? No. -brian -- Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of pop tarts and pancake mix. -- IRC

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on Sun X4150/X4450

2008-12-06 Thread Joseph Zhou
Thanks, but compared to what? To Windows, are you sure we can say lot of additional? To Linux, maybe, since I am not a Linux fan. To leading NAS appliances, these are not competitive advantages. opensolaris.org posted this, I would like an official answer! The Open-spirit should be encouraged,

Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenSolaris vs Linux

2008-12-06 Thread Joseph Zhou
Ian, Tim, again, thank you very much in answering my question. I am a bit disappointed that the whole discussion group does not have one person to stand up and say yeah, OpenSolaris absolutely outperforms Linux and Windows, because.. But I wish, one day, we can be arguing not on a basis of

Re: [zfs-discuss] OpenSolaris vs Linux

2008-12-06 Thread Joseph Zhou
Tim, thanks, yeah, I have highlighted Sun Storage SSD, see my blog, if you are really interested. http://ideasint.blogs.com/ideasinsights/2008/10/ssd-shines-new.html note the Sun Storage comment to the blog and my reply. Happy holidays! z - Original Message - From: Tim To:

Re: [zfs-discuss] help diagnosing system hang

2008-12-06 Thread Ethan Erchinger
Ethan Erchinger wrote: Here is a sample set of messages at that time. It looks like timeouts on the SSD for various requested blocks. Maybe I need to talk with Intel about this issue. Keeping everyone up-to-date, for those who care, I've RMAd the Intel drive, and will retest when the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on Sun X4150/X4450

2008-12-06 Thread William D. Hathaway
I don't understand your statement/questions. This wasn't a response to ZFS versus every possible storage platform in the world. The original poster was asking about comparing ZFS versus hardware RAID on specific machines as mentioned in the title. AFAIK you don't get compression, snapshots

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on Sun X4150/X4450

2008-12-06 Thread Joseph Zhou
Yeah? http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/Controllers/Hardware/sas/value/SAS-31605/_details/Series3_FAQs.htm Snapshot is a big deal? Windows OS does that too. Compression -- where is the performance data showing compression in OpenSolaris has little overhead? Clones -- tell me the benefit of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on SunX4150/X4450

2008-12-06 Thread Joseph Zhou
Is Jeff Cheeney still on this list? He had an open mind. Jeff, if you can see this, tell me if I am wrong! Please! Thanks! z - Original Message - From: Joseph Zhou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: William D. Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on Sun X4150/X4450

2008-12-06 Thread Richard Elling
Joseph Zhou wrote: Yeah? http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/Controllers/Hardware/sas/value/SAS-31605/_details/Series3_FAQs.htm Snapshot is a big deal? Snapshot is a big deal, but you will find most hardware RAID implementations are somewhat limited, as the above adaptec only supports 4

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on SunX4150/X4450

2008-12-06 Thread Joseph Zhou
Richard, thank you so very much! This is the kind of answer I expected from Sun Storage. I will do more studies before I speak again. Happy holidays!!! z - Original Message - From: Richard Elling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joseph Zhou [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: William D. Hathaway [EMAIL

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on Sun X4150/X4450

2008-12-06 Thread Torrey McMahon
Richard Elling wrote: Joseph Zhou wrote: Yeah? http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/Controllers/Hardware/sas/value/SAS-31605/_details/Series3_FAQs.htm Snapshot is a big deal? Snapshot is a big deal, but you will find most hardware RAID implementations are somewhat limited,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on Sun X4150/X4450

2008-12-06 Thread Joseph Zhou
Torrey, now this impressive as the old days with Sun Storage. Ok, ZFS PiT is only a software solution. The Windows VSS is not only a software solution, but also a 3rd party integration standard from MS. What's your comment on ZFS PiT is better than MS PiT, in light of openness and 3rd-party

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementationon Sun X4150/X4450

2008-12-06 Thread Joseph Zhou
Ok, I am tired and going to bed. Thanks, Real Sun Storage folks, this is the best discussion I have had in months. I am satisfied. ;-) Goodnight, and long live the open spirit!!! zStorageAnalyst - Original Message - From: Joseph Zhou [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Torrey McMahon [EMAIL

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on Sun X4150/X4450

2008-12-06 Thread Torrey McMahon
Compared to hw raid only snapshots ZFS is still, imho, easier to use. If you start talking about VSS, aka shadow copy for Windows, you're now at the fs level. I can see that VSS offers an API for 3rd parties to use but, as I literally just started reading about it, I'm not an expert. From a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Hardware Raid Vs ZFS implementation on Sun X4150/X4450

2008-12-06 Thread Joseph Zhou
Ok, Torrey, I like you, so one more comment before I go to bed -- Please go study the EMC NetWorker 7.5, and why EMC can claim leadership in VSS support. Then, if you still don't understand the importance of VSS, just ask me in an open fashion, I will teach you. The importance of storage in