Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread Frank Cusack
nevermind, i will just get a Promise array. Don't. I don't normally like to badmouth vendors, but my experience with Promise was one of the worst in my career, for reasons that should be relevant other ZFS-oriented customers. recommendations for an alternative?

Re: [zfs-discuss] Oracle raw volumes

2009-02-01 Thread Stefan Parvu
one question related with this: would KAIO be supported on such configuration ? At least trying to open /dev/zvol/rdsk/datapool/master where master is defined as: # zpool create -f datapool mirror c1t1d0 c2t0d0 # zfs create -V 1gb datapool/master # ls -lrt /dev/zvol/rdsk/datapool/master

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread Tim
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Frank Cusack fcus...@fcusack.com wrote: nevermind, i will just get a Promise array. Don't. I don't normally like to badmouth vendors, but my experience with Promise was one of the worst in my career, for reasons that should be relevant other

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zpool corrupt, crashes system when imported -- one last try

2009-02-01 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
Sorry for following up to myself. It was suggested off-list that I try to see if the slightly older code in the Belenix liveCD would maybe work with my pool. Nope -- because I upgraded my pool back when I thought OpenSolaris 2008.11 was going to work, so it's too new a version for the code on

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread Will Murnane
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:30, Frank Cusack fcus...@fcusack.com wrote: recommendations for an alternative? At work we just ordered a Supermicro CSE-846E1-R900B [1]: 24 hot-swap bays, redundant 900W power supplies, LSI SAS expander. This doesn't quite make a JBOD by itself (it's designed to be

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread Frédéric VANNIERE
J4200 is cheap compared to custom made solutions (Supermicro + 3Ware). Ask a Sun reseller for a quote. There is also the Sun Startup Essentials program with great prices on storage systems. Last year I've bought an Infortrend RAID array with custom disks but today I would choose a J4400 + 24

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread Richard Elling
John-Paul Drawneek wrote: the J series is far to new to be hitting ebay yet. Any alot of people will not be buying the J series for obvious reasons The obvious reason is that Sun cannot service random disk drives you buy from Fry's (or elsewhere). People who value data tend to value

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS extended ACL

2009-02-01 Thread Fredrich Maney
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net wrote: fm == Fredrich Maney fredrichma...@gmail.com writes: fm changing the default toolset (without notification) I wouldn't wish for notification all the time and tell people they cannot move unless they notify everyone, or

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread Tim
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.comwrote: John-Paul Drawneek wrote: the J series is far to new to be hitting ebay yet. Any alot of people will not be buying the J series for obvious reasons The obvious reason is that Sun cannot service random disk

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread James C. McPherson
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 14:45:28 -0600 Tim t...@tcsac.net wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.comwrote: John-Paul Drawneek wrote: the J series is far to new to be hitting ebay yet. Any alot of people will not be buying the J series for obvious

Re: [zfs-discuss] Oracle raw volumes

2009-02-01 Thread Jim Dunham
Stefan, one question related with this: would KAIO be supported on such configuration ? Yes, but not as one might expect. As seen from the truss output below, the call to kaio() fails with EBADFD, a direct result of the fact that for ZFS its cb_ops interface for asynchronous read and

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009, Tim wrote: I don't think anyone is asking Sun to service disks that aren't theirs, but to claim that's a reason for not selling drive trays is crap. You already claimed in the other thread that Sun has contracts for custom disks so they don't have to worry about short

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread Frank Cusack
On February 1, 2009 12:24:08 PM -0800 Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote John-Paul Drawneek wrote: the J series is far to new to be hitting ebay yet. Any alot of people will not be buying the J series for obvious reasons The obvious reason is that Sun cannot service random disk

[zfs-discuss] Two-level ZFS

2009-02-01 Thread Gary Mills
I realize that this configuration is not supported. What's required to make it work? Consider a file server running ZFS that exports a volume with Iscsi. Consider also an application server that imports the LUN with Iscsi and runs a ZFS filesystem on that LUN. All of the redundancy and disk

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread Frank Cusack
On February 1, 2009 12:02:11 PM -0800 Frédéric VANNIERE f.vanni...@planet-work.com wrote: J4200 is cheap compared to custom made solutions (Supermicro + 3Ware). i can't see how that math works. by the time i fully populate a J4200 (12TB), Sun charges in the $10k neighborhood. i can do this

[zfs-discuss] Bad sectors arises - discs differ in size - trouble?

2009-02-01 Thread Orvar Korvar
You have a raid with 5 terabyte discs. Now some bad sectors arises, so the discs differ in size. What happens with the ZFS raid? Will there be seriuos trouble? Or is this only a problem when ZFS raid is 100% full? Of old, in Linux you didnt allocate the entire disc. Instead you let 100MB be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Two-level ZFS

2009-02-01 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 04:26:13PM -0600, Gary Mills wrote: I realize that this configuration is not supported. What's required It would be silly for ZFS to support zvols as iSCSI LUNs and then say you can put anything but ZFS on them. I'm pretty sure there's no such restriction. (That said,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Bad sectors arises - discs differ in size - trouble?

2009-02-01 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Sun, Feb 1 at 14:45, Orvar Korvar wrote: You have a raid with 5 terabyte discs. Now some bad sectors arises, so the discs differ in size. What happens with the ZFS raid? Will there be seriuos trouble? Or is this only a problem when ZFS raid is 100% full? Of old, in Linux you didnt

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread Richard Elling
Tim wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: John-Paul Drawneek wrote: the J series is far to new to be hitting ebay yet. Any alot of people will not be buying the J series for obvious

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread David Dyer-Bennet
On Sun, February 1, 2009 14:24, Richard Elling wrote: John-Paul Drawneek wrote: the J series is far to new to be hitting ebay yet. Any alot of people will not be buying the J series for obvious reasons The obvious reason is that Sun cannot service random disk drives you buy from Fry's (or

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread Andre van Eyssen
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009, Richard Elling wrote: The drives that Sun sells will come with the correct bracket. Ergo, there is no reason to sell the bracket as a separate item unless the customer wishes to place non-Sun disks in them. That represents a service liability for Sun, so they are not

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread Bryan Allen
+-- | On 2009-02-01 16:29:59, Richard Elling wrote: | | The drives that Sun sells will come with the correct bracket. | Ergo, there is no reason to sell the bracket as a separate | item unless the customer wishes to place

Re: [zfs-discuss] Two-level ZFS

2009-02-01 Thread Jim Dunham
Gary, I realize that this configuration is not supported. The configuration is supported, but not in the manner mentioned below. If there are two (or more) instances of ZFS in the end-to-end data path, each instance is responsible for its own redundancy and error recovery. There is no

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread Andre van Eyssen
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: I am worried that Sun is primarily interested in new business and tends to not offer replacement/new drives for as long as the actual service-life of the array. What is the poor customer to do when Sun is no longer willing to offer a service

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread Richard Elling
Bryan Allen wrote: +-- | On 2009-02-01 16:29:59, Richard Elling wrote: | | The drives that Sun sells will come with the correct bracket. | Ergo, there is no reason to sell the bracket as a separate | item unless the

Re: [zfs-discuss] j4200 drive carriers

2009-02-01 Thread Bryan Allen
+-- | On 2009-02-01 20:55:46, Richard Elling wrote: | | The astute observer will note that the bracket for the X41xx family | works elsewhere. For example, |