Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?

2011-01-31 Thread Fred Liu
Rocky, Can individuals buy your products in the retail market? Thanks. Fred -Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Rocky Shek Sent: 星期五, 一月 28, 2011 7:02 To: 'Pasi Kärkkäinen' Cc: 'Philip Brown';

Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?

2011-01-31 Thread Khushil Dep
You should also check out VA Technologies ( http://www.va-technologies.com/servicesStorage.php) in the UK which supply a range of JBOD's. I've used this is very large deployments with no JBOD related failures to-date. Interestingly the laso list co-raid boxes. --- W. A. Khushil Dep -

Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?

2011-01-31 Thread Fred Liu
Khushil, Thanks. Fred From: Khushil Dep [mailto:khushil@gmail.com] Sent: 星期一, 一月 31, 2011 17:37 To: Fred Liu Cc: Rocky Shek; Pasi Kärkkäinen; Philip Brown; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs? You should also check out VA Technologies

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and TRIM

2011-01-31 Thread Joerg Schilling
Brandon High bh...@freaks.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Edward Ned Harvey opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: What is the status of ZFS support for TRIM? I believe it's been supported for a while now.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-31 Thread Joerg Schilling
Torrey McMahon tmcmah...@yahoo.com wrote: On 1/30/2011 5:26 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Richard Ellingrichard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: ufsdump is the problem, not ufsrestore. If you ufsdump an active file system, there is no guarantee you can ufsrestore it. The only way to guarantee

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-31 Thread Mark Sandrock
Why do you say fssnap has the same problem? If it write locks the file system, it is only for a matter of seconds, as I recall. Years ago, I used it on a daily basis to do ufsdumps of large fs'es. Mark On Jan 30, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Torrey McMahon wrote: On 1/30/2011 5:26 PM, Joerg Schilling

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-31 Thread Mark Sandrock
iirc, we would notify the user community that the FS'es were going to hang briefly. Locking the FS'es is the best way to quiesce it, when users are worldwide, imo. Mark On Jan 31, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Torrey McMahon wrote: A matter of seconds is a long time for a running Oracle database. The

Re: [zfs-discuss] multiple disk failure

2011-01-31 Thread James Van Artsdalen
He says he's using FreeBSD. ZFS recorded names like ada0 which always means a whole disk. In any case FreeBSD will search all block storage for the ZFS dev components if the cached name is wrong: if the attached disks are connected to the system at all FreeBSD will find them wherever they may

Re: [zfs-discuss] multiple disk failure (solved?)

2011-01-31 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 1/29/2011 6:18 PM, Richard Elling wrote: On Jan 29, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote: On 1/29/2011 12:57 PM, Richard Elling wrote: 0(offsite)# zpool status pool: tank1 state: UNAVAIL status: One or more devices could not be opened. There are insufficient replicas for the

Re: [zfs-discuss] multiple disk failure (solved?)

2011-01-31 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Mike, Yes, this is looking much better. Some combination of removing corrupted files indicated in the zpool status -v output, running zpool scrub and then zpool clear should resolve the corruption, but its depends on how bad the corruption is. First, I would try least destruction method:

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and TRIM

2011-01-31 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 03:41:52PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Brandon High bh...@freaks.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Edward Ned Harvey opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: What is the status of ZFS support for TRIM? I believe it's been supported

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and TRIM

2011-01-31 Thread Joerg Schilling
Pasi Kärkkäinen pa...@iki.fi wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 03:41:52PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Brandon High bh...@freaks.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Edward Ned Harvey opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: What is the status of ZFS support

Re: [zfs-discuss] multiple disk failure (solved?)

2011-01-31 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 1/31/2011 3:14 PM, Cindy Swearingen wrote: Hi Mike, Yes, this is looking much better. Some combination of removing corrupted files indicated in the zpool status -v output, running zpool scrub and then zpool clear should resolve the corruption, but its depends on how bad the corruption

[zfs-discuss] ZFS and spindle speed (7.2k / 10k / 15k)

2011-01-31 Thread James
G'day All. I’m trying to select the appropriate disk spindle speed for a proposal and would welcome any experience and opinions (e.g. has anyone actively chosen 10k/15k drives for a new ZFS build and, if so, why?). This is for ZFS over NFS for VMWare storage ie. primarily random 4kB

Re: [zfs-discuss] reliable, enterprise worthy JBODs?

2011-01-31 Thread Rocky Shek
Fred, You can easier get them from our resellers. Our resellers are all around the world. Rocky From: Fred Liu [mailto:fred_...@issi.com] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 1:43 AM To: Khushil Dep Cc: Rocky Shek; Pasi Kärkkäinen; Philip Brown; zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: RE:

Re: [zfs-discuss] multiple disk failure (solved?)

2011-01-31 Thread Richard Elling
On Jan 31, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote: On 1/31/2011 3:14 PM, Cindy Swearingen wrote: Hi Mike, Yes, this is looking much better. Some combination of removing corrupted files indicated in the zpool status -v output, running zpool scrub and then zpool clear should resolve the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS dedup success stories?

2011-01-31 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
I'm not sure about *docs*, but my rough estimations: Assume 1TB of actual used storage. Assume 64K block/slab size. (Not sure how realistic that is -- it depends totally on your data set.) Assume 300 bytes per DDT entry. So we have (1024^4 / 65536) * 300 = 5033164800 or about 5GB RAM for

[zfs-discuss] ZFS dedup success stories (take two)

2011-01-31 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
As I've said here on the list a few times earlier, the last on the thread 'ZFS not usable (was ZFS Dedup question)', I've been doing some rather thorough testing on zfs dedup, and as you can see from the posts, it wasn't very satisfactory. The docs claim 1-2GB memory usage per terabyte

[zfs-discuss] zpool-poolname has 99 threads

2011-01-31 Thread Gary Mills
After an upgrade of a busy server to Oracle Solaris 10 9/10, I notice a process called zpool-poolname that has 99 threads. This seems to be a limit, as it never goes above that. It is lower on workstations. The `zpool' man page says only: Processes Each imported pool has an associated

[zfs-discuss] ZFS and L2ARC memory requirements?

2011-01-31 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Even *with* an L2ARC, your memory requirements are *substantial*, because the L2ARC itself needs RAM. 8 GB is simply inadequate for your test. With 50TB storage, and 1TB if L2ARC, with no dedup, what amount of ARC would you would you recommeend? And then, _with_ dedup, what would you

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and L2ARC memory requirements?

2011-01-31 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
- Original Message - Even *with* an L2ARC, your memory requirements are *substantial*, because the L2ARC itself needs RAM. 8 GB is simply inadequate for your test. With 50TB storage, and 1TB if L2ARC, with no dedup, what amount of ARC would you would you recommeend? And

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and L2ARC memory requirements?

2011-01-31 Thread Richard Elling
On Jan 31, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: Even *with* an L2ARC, your memory requirements are *substantial*, because the L2ARC itself needs RAM. 8 GB is simply inadequate for your test. With 50TB storage, and 1TB if L2ARC, with no dedup, what amount of ARC would you would

[zfs-discuss] Validating a zfs send object

2011-01-31 Thread stuart anderson
How do you verify that a zfs send binary object is valid? I tried running a truncated file through zstreamdump and it completed with no error messages and an exit() status of 0. However, I noticed it was missing a final print statement with a checksum value, END checksum = ... Is there any

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and L2ARC memory requirements?

2011-01-31 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On 01/31/11 06:40 PM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: - Original Message - Even *with* an L2ARC, your memory requirements are *substantial*, because the L2ARC itself needs RAM. 8 GB is simply inadequate for your test. With 50TB storage, and 1TB if L2ARC, with no dedup, what

Re: [zfs-discuss] Partitioning ARC

2011-01-31 Thread Stuart Anderson
On Jan 30, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Richard Elling wrote: On Jan 30, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Stuart Anderson wrote: On Jan 30, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Richard Elling wrote: On Jan 30, 2011, at 12:21 PM, stuart anderson wrote: Is it possible to partition the global setting for the maximum ARC size with

Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool-poolname has 99 threads

2011-01-31 Thread George Wilson
The threads associated with the zpool process have special purposes and are used by the different I/O types of the ZIO pipeline. The number of threads doesn't change for workstations or servers. They are fixed values per ZIO type. The new process you're seeing is just exposing the work that has