Re: [zfs-discuss] RFE: Un-dedup for unique blocks

2013-02-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
casper@oracle.com wrote: It gets even better. Executables become part of the swap space via mmap, so that if you have a lot of copies of the same process running in memory, the executable bits don't waste any more space (well, unless you use the sticky bit, although that might be

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alexander Block abloc...@googlemail.com wrote: tar/pax was the initial format that was chosen for btrfs send/receive as it looked like the best and most compatible way. In the middle of development however I realized that we need more then storing whole and incremental files/dirs in the

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 10/18/2012 10:19 PM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: Arne Jansen wrote: We have finished a beta version of the feature. What does FITS stand for? Filesystem Incremental Transport Stream (or Filesystem Independent Transport Stream) Is this an attempt to

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: Is this an attempt to create a competition for TAR? Not really. We'd have preferred tar if it would have been powerful enough. It's more an alternative to rsync for incremental updates. I really like the send/receive feature and want to make it available

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 19.10.2012 12:17, Joerg Schilling wrote: Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: Is this an attempt to create a competition for TAR? Not really. We'd have preferred tar if it would have been powerful enough. It's more an alternative to rsync

Re: [zfs-discuss] FreeBSD ZFS

2012-08-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: In the end, the open-sourced ZFS community got no public replies from Oracle regarding collaboration or lack thereof, and decided to part ways and implement things independently from Oracle. AFAIK main ZFS development converges in illumos-gate, contributed

Re: [zfs-discuss] FreeBSD ZFS

2012-08-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
Sa?o Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.com wrote: To me it seems that the open-sourced ZFS community is not open, or could you point me to their mailing list archives? Jörg z...@lists.illumos.org Well, why then has there been a discussion about a closed zfs mailing list? Is this no

Re: [zfs-discuss] FreeBSD ZFS

2012-08-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
Sa?o Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/09/2012 01:05 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Sa?o Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.com wrote: To me it seems that the open-sourced ZFS community is not open, or could you point me to their mailing list archives? Jörg z

Re: [zfs-discuss] FreeBSD ZFS

2012-08-09 Thread Joerg Schilling
opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Joerg Schilling Well, why then has there been a discussion about a closed zfs mailing

Re: [zfs-discuss] New fast hash algorithm - is it needed?

2012-07-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Sa??o Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.com wrote: write in case verify finds the blocks are different). With hashes, you can leave verify off, since hashes are extremely unlikely (~10^-77) to produce collisions. This is how a lottery works. the chance is low but some people still win. q~A

Re: [zfs-discuss] New fast hash algorithm - is it needed?

2012-07-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Sa?o Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/11/2012 10:47 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Sa??o Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.com wrote: write in case verify finds the blocks are different). With hashes, you can leave verify off, since hashes are extremely unlikely (~10^-77) to produce

Re: [zfs-discuss] New fast hash algorithm - is it needed?

2012-07-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Tue, 10 Jul 2012, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: CPU's are not getting much faster. But IO is definitely getting faster. It's best to keep ahead of that curve. It seems that per-socket CPU performance is doubling every year. That

Re: [zfs-discuss] [developer] History of EPERM for unlink() of directories on ZFS?

2012-06-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Schrock eric.schr...@delphix.com wrote: The decision to not support link(2) of directories was very deliberate - it is an abomination that never should have been allowed in the first place. My guess is that the behavior of unlink(2) on directories is a direct side-effect of that (if link

Re: [zfs-discuss] [developer] History of EPERM for unlink() of directories on ZFS?

2012-06-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Schrock eric.schr...@delphix.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:19 AM, casper@oracle.com wrote: In the very beginning, mkdir(1) was a set-uid application; it used mknod to make a directory and then created a link from newdir to newdir/. and from . to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Migration of a Thumper to bigger HDDs

2012-05-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: We know that large redundancy is highly recommended for big HDDs, so in-place autoexpansion of the raidz1 pool onto 3Tb disks is out of the question. Before I started to use my thumper, I reconfigured it to use RAID-Z2. This allows me to just replace disks

Re: [zfs-discuss] Migration of a Thumper to bigger HDDs

2012-05-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
bofh goodb...@gmail.com wrote: There's something going on then. I have 7x 3TB disk at home, in raidz3, so about 12TB usable. 2.5TB actually used. Scrubbing takes about 2.5 hours. I had done the resilvering as well, and that did not take 15 hours/drive. Copying 3TBs onto 2.5 SATA drives

Re: [zfs-discuss] test for holes in a file?

2012-03-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
? olga.kryzhanov...@gmail.com wrote: How can I test if a file on ZFS has holes, i.e. is a sparse file, using the C api? See star . ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/star/ or http://hg.berlios.de/repos/schillix-on/file/e3829115a7a4/usr/src/cmd/star/hole.c The interface was

Re: [zfs-discuss] Possible ZFS problem

2011-08-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
andy thomas a...@time-domain.co.uk wrote: What 'tar' program were you using? Make sure to also try using the Solaris-provided tar rather than something like GNU tar. I was using GNU tar actually as the original archive was created on a Linux machine. I will try it again using Solaris

Re: [zfs-discuss] Possible ZFS problem

2011-08-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
andy thomas a...@time-domain.co.uk wrote: So it is GNU tar that is broken and not Solaris tar? I always thought it was the other way round. Thanks for letting me know. Before autoumn 2004, Sun tar had several problems with standard compliance but then it has been tested against tartest(1)

Re: [zfs-discuss] Possible ZFS problem

2011-08-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
andy thomas a...@time-domain.co.uk wrote: I've tended to use GNU tar on Solaris as apparently there was a bug in the Solaris version of tar from very log ago where it would not extract files properly from tarfiles created on non-Solaris systems. Maybe this long-standing bug has been fixed

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD vs hybrid drive - any advice?

2011-07-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: On 7/25/2011 3:32 AM, Orvar Korvar wrote: How long have you been using a SSD? Do you see any performance decrease? I mean, ZFS does not support TRIM, so I wonder about long term effects... Frankly, for the kind of use that ZFS puts on a SSD,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, Oracle and Nexenta

2011-05-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Peter Jeremy peter.jer...@alcatel-lucent.com wrote: On 2011-May-25 03:49:43 +0800, Brandon High bh...@freaks.com wrote: ... unless Oracle's zpool v30 is different than Nexenta's v30. This would be unfortunate but no worse than the current situation with UFS - Solaris, *BSD and HP Tru64 all

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, Oracle and Nexenta

2011-05-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Garrett D'Amore garr...@nexenta.com wrote: I am sure that the group exists ... I am a part of it, as are many of the former Oracle ZFS engineers and a number of other ZFS contributors. Whatever your proposal was, we have not seen it, but a solution has been agreed upon widely already, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, Oracle and Nexenta

2011-05-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Garrett D'Amore garr...@nexenta.com wrote: You are welcome to your beliefs. There are many groups that do standards that do not meet in public. In fact, I can't think of any standards bodies that *do* hold open meetings. You probybly don't know POSIX. Jörg --

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS, Oracle and Nexenta

2011-05-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Paul Kraus p...@kraus-haus.org wrote: There have been a number of RFC's effectively written by one vendor in order to be able to claim open standards compliance, the biggest corporate offender in this regard, but clearly not the only one, is Microsoft. The next time I run across one of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Faster copy from UFS to ZFS

2011-05-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: rsync is indeed slower than star; so far as I can tell, this is due almost exclusively to the fact that rsync needs to build an in-memory table of all work being done *before* it starts to copy. After that, it copies at about the same rate as

Re: [zfs-discuss] Faster copy from UFS to ZFS

2011-05-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: *ufsrestore works fine on ZFS filesystems (although I haven't tried it with any POSIX ACLs on the original ufs filesystem, which would probably simply get lost). star -copy -no-fsync is typically 30% faster that ufsdump | ufsrestore. Does it

Re: [zfs-discuss] Faster copy from UFS to ZFS

2011-05-03 Thread Joerg Schilling
Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Dan Shelton dan.shel...@oracle.com wrote: Is anyone aware of any freeware program that can speed up copying tons of data (2 TB) from UFS to ZFS on same server? rsync, with --whole-file --inplace (and other options),

Re: [zfs-discuss] Faster copy from UFS to ZFS

2011-05-03 Thread Joerg Schilling
Andrew Gabriel andrew.gabr...@oracle.com wrote: Dan Shelton wrote: Is anyone aware of any freeware program that can speed up copying tons of data (2 TB) from UFS to ZFS on same server? I use 'ufsdump | ufsrestore'*. I would also suggest try setting 'sync=disabled' during the operation,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Faster copy from UFS to ZFS

2011-04-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dan Shelton dan.shel...@oracle.com wrote: Is anyone aware of any freeware program that can speed up copying tons of data (2 TB) from UFS to ZFS on same server? Try star -copy Note that due to the problems on ZFS to deal with stable states, I recommend to use -no-fsync and it may of

Re: [zfs-discuss] SEEK_HOLE returns the whole sparse file size?

2011-04-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
jeff.liu jeff@oracle.com wrote: Hello List, I am trying to fetch the data/hole info of a sparse file through the lseek(SEEK_HOLE/SEEK_DATA) stuff, the result of fpathconf(..., _PC_MIN_HOLE_SIZE) is ok, so I think this interface is supported on my testing ZFS, but SEEK_HOLE always

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-04-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: But they are involved in the discussions around which features should be there, and help to prioritise those features. I guess my fear is the external ZFS developers have adopted the Oracle rather than the OpenSolaris development model. We all know

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Going forward after Oracle - Let's get organized, let's get started.

2011-03-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: The feeling I get is that while there is plenty of userland work being done, there is next to nothing on ZFS development outside of the Oracle camp. There is an active ZFS working group where many people contributing code to the core ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] best migration path from Solaris 10

2011-03-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
David Magda dma...@ee.ryerson.ca wrote: On Mar 20, 2011, at 09:26, Joerg Schilling wrote: The long term acceptance for ZFS depends on how Oracle will behave past the announced Solaris 11 is released. If they don't Opensource the related ZFS, they will harm the future of ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] best migration path from Solaris 10

2011-03-24 Thread Joerg Schilling
Michael DeMan sola...@deman.com wrote: Moving forward... If Oracle continues to release critical ZFS feature sets under CDDL to the community, then: A) They are no longer pre-releasing those features to OpenSolaris B) FreeBSD gets them at the same time. If Oracle does not continue to

Re: [zfs-discuss] best migration path from Solaris 10

2011-03-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Fred Liu fred_...@issi.com wrote: Probably, we need place a tag before zfs -- Opensource-ZFS or Oracle-ZFS after Solaris11 release. If it is true, these two ZFSes will definitely evolve into different directions. BTW, Did Oracle unveil the actual release date? We are also at the cross

Re: [zfs-discuss] GNU 'cp -p' can't work well with ZFS-based-NFS's ACL

2011-03-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Fred Liu fred_...@issi.com wrote: Sorry. I put post in cc. I use NFSv3(linux 2.4 kernel) coreutils-8.9. On Linux, NFSv3 does not support ACLs at all. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni)

Re: [zfs-discuss] cannot replace c10t0d0 with c10t0d0: device is too small

2011-03-04 Thread Joerg Schilling
Cindy Swearingen cindy.swearin...@oracle.com wrote: Hi Robert, We integrated some fixes that allowed you to replace disks of equivalent sizes, but 40 MB is probably beyond that window. In former times, similar problems applied to partitioned disks with UFS and we at that time did check the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and spindle speed (7.2k / 10k / 15k)

2011-02-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Andrew Gabriel andrew.gabr...@oracle.com wrote: If you go back to the late 1970's before tracks had embedded servo data, on multi-platter disks you had one surface which contained the head positioning servo data, and the drive relied on accurate vertical alignment between heads/surfaces to

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and TRIM

2011-02-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Orvar Korvar knatte_fnatte_tja...@yahoo.com wrote: Ok, I read a bit more on TRIM. It seems that without TRIM, there will be more unnecessary reads and writes on the SSD, the result being that writes can take long time. A) So, how big of a problem is it? Sun has for long sold SSDs (for

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and TRIM

2011-01-31 Thread Joerg Schilling
Brandon High bh...@freaks.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Edward Ned Harvey opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: What is the status of ZFS support for TRIM? I believe it's been supported for a while now.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best choice - file system for system

2011-01-31 Thread Joerg Schilling
Torrey McMahon tmcmah...@yahoo.com wrote: On 1/30/2011 5:26 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Richard Ellingrichard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: ufsdump is the problem, not ufsrestore. If you ufsdump an active file system, there is no guarantee you can ufsrestore it. The only way to guarantee

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and TRIM

2011-01-31 Thread Joerg Schilling
Pasi Kärkkäinen pa...@iki.fi wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 03:41:52PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: Brandon High bh...@freaks.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Edward Ned Harvey opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: What is the status of ZFS support

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Martin Matuska m...@freebsd.org wrote: Tim Cook tim at cook.ms writes: You are not a court of law, and that statement has not been tested.  It is your opinion and nothing more.  I'd appreciate if every time you repeated that statement, you'd preface it with in my opinion so you don't have

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: I've read Joerg's paper, and I've read several of the patents in question, and nowhere around is there any real code. A bit of Netapp filed patents (without code) in 1993, I of course have working code for SuinOS-4.9 from 1991. Se below for more

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) wrote: Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: I've read Joerg's paper, and I've read several of the patents in question, and nowhere around is there any real code. A bit of Netapp filed patents (without code) in 1993, I

Re: [zfs-discuss] stupid ZFS question - floating point operations

2010-12-23 Thread Joerg Schilling
Darren J Moffat darren.mof...@oracle.com wrote: On 22/12/2010 20:27, Garrett D'Amore wrote: That said, some operations -- and cryptographic ones in particular -- may use floating point registers and operations because for some architectures (sun4u rings a bell) this can make certain

Re: [zfs-discuss] A few questions

2010-12-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Phil Harman phil.har...@gmail.com wrote: Changes to the resilvering implementation don't necessarily require changes to the on disk format (although they could). Of course, there might be an issue moving a pool mid-resilver from one implementation to another. We seem to come to a similar

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Frank Cusack frank+lists/z...@linetwo.net wrote: On 12/16/10 11:32 AM +0100 Joerg Schilling wrote: Note that while there existist numerous papers from lawyers that consistently explain which parts of the GPLv2 are violating US law and thus are void, Can you elaborate? See: http

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-17 Thread Joerg Schilling
Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net wrote: js == Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de delivered the following alternate reality of idealogical partisan hackery: js GPLv3 does not give you anything you don't have from CDDL js also. I think this is wrong

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net wrote: * when do the CDDL patent protections apply? to deals between Oracle and Netapp? or is it only protection against Oracle patents? I think the latter, but then, which Oracle patents? Suppose: The CDDL gives patent grants to all patents that relate

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net wrote: bf == Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us writes: bf Perhaps it is better for Linux if it is GPLv2, but probably bf not if it is GPLv3. That's my understanding: GPLv3 is the one you would need to preserve software freedom under deals

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: These reasons don't make CDDL incompatible with GPL. GPL is compatible with any license which is at least as permissive as itself. GPLv2 only requires that the recipient be able to receive all of the source code under terms which allow

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: The last update I see to the ZFS public tree is 29 Oct 2010. Which, I *think*, is about the time that the fork for the Solaris 11 Express snapshot was taken. Do you really see such an update? The last time I tried, the source was frozen on

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Linder, Doug doug.lin...@merchantlink.com wrote: Why do you want them to GPL ZFS? In what way would that save you annoyance? I actually think Doug was trying to say he wished Oracle would open the development and make the source code open-sourced, not necessarily GPL'd. Yes. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
C. Bergström codest...@osunix.org wrote: lalala.. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletubbies Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog:

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Edward Ned Harvey opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: Problem is... Oracle is now the only company in the world who's immune to netapp lawsuit over ZFS. Even if IBM and Dell and HP wanted to band together and fund the open-source development of ZFS and openindiana...

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS ... open source moving forward?

2010-12-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Tim Cook t...@cook.ms wrote: I don't believe that there is a significant risk as the NetApp patents are invalid because of prior art. You are not a court of law, and that statement has not been tested. It is your opinion and nothing more. I'd appreciate if every time you repeated

Re: [zfs-discuss] [OpenIndiana-discuss] format dumps the core

2010-11-02 Thread Joerg Schilling
Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk r...@karlsbakk.net wrote: Hi all (crossposting to zfs-discuss) This error also seems to occur on osol 134. Any idea what this might be? ioctl(4, USCSICMD, 0x08046910) = 0 ioctl(4, USCSICMD, 0x08046900) = 0 ioctl(4, USCSICMD, 0x08046570) = 0 ioctl(4, USCSICMD,

Re: [zfs-discuss] fs root inode number?

2010-09-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Richard L. Hamilton rlha...@smart.net wrote: Typically on most filesystems, the inode number of the root directory of the filesystem is 2, 0 being unused and 1 historically once invisible and used for bad blocks (no longer done, but kept reserved so as not to invalidate assumptions implicit

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ross Walker rswwal...@gmail.com wrote: If a shell script may be dependent on GNU 'cat', does that make the shell script a derived work? Note that GNU 'cat' could be replaced with some other 'cat' since 'cat' has a well defined interface. A very similar situation exists for loadable

Re: [zfs-discuss] 64-bit vs 32-bit applications

2010-08-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: A quick test with a C++ application I'm working with which does a lot of string and container manipulation shows it runs about 10% slower in 64 bit mode on AMD64 and about the same in 32 or 64 bit on a core i7. Built with -fast. This may be a result of

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in Linux (was Opensolaris is apparently dead)

2010-08-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Edward Ned Harvey sh...@nedharvey.com wrote: The reasons for ZFS not in Linux must be more than just the license issue. If Linux has ZFS, then it would be possible to do - I/O performance analysis based on the same FS implementation - stability analysis for data, crashes, ...

Re: [zfs-discuss] 64-bit vs 32-bit applications

2010-08-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Garrett D'Amore garr...@nexenta.com wrote: There is no common C++ ABI. So you get into compatibility concerns between code built with different compilers (like Studio vs. g++). Fail. The interesting thing is: Sun Studio on Linux is able to interoperate with g++ Jörg --

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net wrote: gd == Garrett D'Amore garr...@nexenta.com writes: Joerg is correct that CDDL code can legally live right alongside the GPLv2 kernel code and run in the same program. gd My understanding is that no, this is not possible. GPLv2 and CDDL

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Garrett D'Amore garr...@nexenta.com wrote: All of this is entirely legal conjecture, by people who aren't lawyers, for issues that have not been tested by court and are clearly subject to interpretation. Since it no longer is relevant to the topic of the list, can we please either take the

Re: [zfs-discuss] 64-bit vs 32-bit applications

2010-08-17 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: If you have an orthogonal architecture like sparc, a typical 64 bit program is indeed a bit slower than the same program in 32 bit. On Amd64, you have twice as many registers in 64 bit mode and this is the reason for a typical performance gain of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-17 Thread Joerg Schilling
Garrett D'Amore garr...@nexenta.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 14:04 -0500, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Tue, 17 Aug 2010, Ross Walker wrote: And there lies the problem, you need the agreement of all copyright holders in a GPL project to change it's licensing terms and some just

Re: [zfs-discuss] 64-bit vs 32-bit applications

2010-08-17 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 08/18/10 12:05 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Ian Collinsi...@ianshome.com wrote: If you have an orthogonal architecture like sparc, a typical 64 bit program is indeed a bit slower than the same program in 32 bit. On Amd64, you have twice

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Garrett D'Amore garr...@nexenta.com wrote: (The only way I could see this changing would be if there was a sudden license change which would permit either ZFS to overtake btrfs in the Linux kernel, or permit btrfs to overtake zfs in the Solaris kernel. I There is only a need for a mind

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS pool and filesystem version list, OpenSolaris builds list

2010-08-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Haudy Kazemi kaze0...@umn.edu wrote: EON (Embedded ON) NAS (Network Attached Storage) EON ver 0.60.0 is based on build 130 EON ver 0.59.9 is based on build 129 EON ver 0.59.5 is based on build 125 EON ver 0.59.4 is based on build 124 EON ver 0.59.3 is based on build 122 EON ver 0.59.2 is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
David Dyer-Bennet d...@dd-b.net wrote: On Sun, August 15, 2010 20:44, Peter Jeremy wrote: Irrespective of the above, there is nothing requiring Oracle to release any future btrfs or ZFS improvements (or even bugfixes). They can't retrospectively change the license on already released

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ray Van Dolson rvandol...@esri.com wrote: I absolutely guarantee Oracle can and likely already has dual-licensed BTRFS. Well, Oracle obviously would want btrfs to stay as part of the Linux kernel rather than die a death of anonymity outside of it... As such, they'll need to continue to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
C. Bergström codest...@osunix.org wrote: I absolutely guarantee Oracle can and likely already has dual-licensed BTRFS. No.. talk to Chris Mason.. it depends on the linux kernel too much already to be available under anything, but GPLv2 If he really believes this, then he seems to be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
David Dyer-Bennet d...@dd-b.net wrote: As such, they'll need to continue to comply with GPLv2 requirements. No, there is definitely no need for Oracle to comply with the GPL as they own the code. Ray's point is, how long would BTRFS remain in the Linux kernel in that case? Such a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Tim Cook t...@cook.ms wrote: The real question is, WHY would they do it? What would be the business motivation here? Chris Mason would most likely leave Oracle, Red Hat would hire him and fork the last GPL'd version of btrfs and Oracle would have relegated itself to a non-player in the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Tim Cook t...@cook.ms wrote: insults. Oracle can pull the plug at any time they choose. *ONE* developer from Redhat does not change the fact that Oracle owns the rights to the majority of the code, and can relicense it, or discontinue code updates, as they see fit. It would be most

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Andrej Podzimek and...@podzimek.org wrote: P. S. As far as Phoronix is concerned... Well, I remember how they once used a malfunctioning and crippled Reiser4 implementation (hacked by the people around the ZEN patchset so that it caused data corruption (!) and kernel crashes) and compared

Re: [zfs-discuss] Opensolaris is apparently dead

2010-08-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
David Dyer-Bennet d...@dd-b.net wrote: I repeated this test and it turned out, that Linux did not even start to write to the disk when gtar finished. As a test of ext? performance, that does seem to be lacking something! I guess it's a consequence of the low sound levels of modern disk

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Mike M the.li...@mgm51.com wrote: Think: strategic business advantage. Oracle are not stupid, they recognize a jewel when they see one. Too bad that they decided to throw it into acid. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin

Re: [zfs-discuss] LTFS and LTO-5 Tape Drives

2010-08-04 Thread Joerg Schilling
valrh...@gmail.com valrh...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone looked into the new LTFS on LTO-5 for tape backups? Any idea how this would work with ZFS? I'm presuming ZFS send / receive are not going to work. But it seems rather appealing to have the metadata properly with the data, and being

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on

2010-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Giovanni Tirloni gtirl...@sysdroid.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net wrote: IMHO it's important we don't get stuck running Nexenta in the same spot we're now stuck with OpenSolaris: with a bunch of CDDL-protected source that few people know how to use

Re: [zfs-discuss] Recommended RAM for ZFS on various platforms

2010-07-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Sam Fourman Jr. sfour...@gmail.com wrote: using FreeBSD 9 w/ ZFSv15 using default settings, nothing in loader.conf or nothing in sysctl.conf and a GENERIC kernel 12GB of memory seems to be all ZFS wanted to use, I have tried machines with 32GB but zfs never wants to use more unless you play

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
BM bogdan.maryn...@gmail.com wrote:  You seem to be totally convinced in the future of Linux and BTRFS, so I recommend you leave this community and join that one. Neither I convinced or not. All I say is: 1. There is no new builds. Do you like to tell us Linux is dead because you cannot

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Edward Ned Harvey solar...@nedharvey.com wrote: CDDL contains an explicit disclaimer of warranty, which means, if Apple were to download CDDL ZFS source code and compile and distribute it themselves, they would be fully liable for any lawsuit waged against them. But CDDL also allows for Sun

Re: [zfs-discuss] Legality and the future of zfs...

2010-07-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
Garrett D'Amore garr...@nexenta.com wrote: This situation is why I'm coming to believe that there is almost no case for software patents. (I still think there may be a few exceptions -- the RSA patent being a good example where there was significant enough innovation to possibly justify a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Announce: zfsdump

2010-07-05 Thread Joerg Schilling
Tristram Scott tristram.sc...@quantmodels.co.uk wrote: I see a number of points to consider when choosing amongst the various suggestions for backing up zfs file systems. In no particular order, I have these: Let me fill this out for star ;-) 1. Does it work in place, or need an

Re: [zfs-discuss] Erratic behavior on 24T zpool

2010-06-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
artiepen ceco...@uga.edu wrote: 40MB/sec is the best that it gets. Really, the average is 5. I see 4, 5, 2, and 6 almost 10x as many times as I see 40MB/sec. It really only bumps up to 40 very rarely. I get Read/write speeds of aprox. 630 MB/s into ZFS on a SunFire X4540. It seems that you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Native ZFS for Linux

2010-06-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Peter Jeremy peter.jer...@alcatel-lucent.com wrote: On 2010-Jun-11 17:41:38 +0800, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: PP.S.: Did you know that FreeBSD _includes_ the GPLd Reiserfs in the FreeBSD kernel since a while and that nobody did complain about this, see e.g

Re: [zfs-discuss] Native ZFS for Linux

2010-06-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Tue, 15 Jun 2010, Joerg Schilling wrote: Sorry but your reply is completely misleading as the people who claim that there is a legal problem with having ZFS in the Linux kernel would of course also claim that Reiserfs cannot

Re: [zfs-discuss] Native ZFS for Linux

2010-06-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: I am really sad to hear you saying these things since if it was all actually true, then Linux, *BSD, and Solaris distributions could not legally exist. Thankfully, only part of the above is true. If linking of independent works would

Re: [zfs-discuss] Native ZFS for Linux

2010-06-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alex Blewitt alex.blew...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 11, 2010, at 10:43, Joerg Schilling wrote: Jason King ja...@ansipunx.net wrote: Well technically they could start with the GRUB zfs code, which is GPL licensed, but I don't think that's the case. As explained in depth

Re: [zfs-discuss] Native ZFS for Linux

2010-06-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: I don't want to restart something here on this list - I just wanted to make sure that the original developers understood that there are very possibly issues using CDDL code in conjunction with GPL'd code. If they are indeed using OpenSolaris ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] Native ZFS for Linux

2010-06-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alex Blewitt alex.blew...@gmail.com wrote: The GPL doesn't prevent you doing things. However, it does withdraw the agreement that you are permitted to copy someone else's work if you do those things. So whilst one can compile and link code together, you may not have the rights to use

Re: [zfs-discuss] Native ZFS for Linux

2010-06-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
Hillel Lubman shtetl...@gmail.com wrote: A very interesting video from DebConf, which addresses CDDL and GPL incompatibility issues, and some original reasoning behind CDDL usage:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Plugging in a hard drive after Solaris has booted up?

2010-05-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: Run |cfgadm -cconfigure |on the unconfigured Ids|, see the man page for the gory details.| IF the BIOS is OK ;-) I have a problem with a DELL PC: If I disable the other SATA ports, Solaris is unable to detect new drives (linux does). If I enable other

Re: [zfs-discuss] Making ZFS better: zfshistory

2010-04-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC, POSIX does not permit hard links to directories. Moving or renaming the directory structure gets disconnected from the original because these are relative relationships. Clearly, NetApp achieves this in some manner which is not constrained

Re: [zfs-discuss] [shell-discuss] getconf test for case insensitive ZFS?

2010-04-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
? olga.kryzhanov...@gmail.com wrote: There is no way in the SUS standard to determinate if a file system is case insensitive, i.e. with pathconf? SUS requires a case sensitive filesystem. There is no need to request this from a POSIX view Jörg --

Re: [zfs-discuss] Secure delete?

2010-04-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: On Sun, 11 Apr 2010, James Van Artsdalen wrote: OpenSolaris needs support for the TRIM command for SSDs. This command is issued to an SSD to indicate that a block is no longer in use and the SSD may erase it in preparation for future

Re: [zfs-discuss] Secure delete?

2010-04-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us wrote: Yes of course. Properly built SSDs include considerable extra space to support wear leveling, and this same space may be used to store erased blocks. A block which is overwritten can simply be written to a block allocated from the extra

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