Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-28 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] http://arc.opensolaris.org/caselog/PSARC/2010/193/mail Agree. This is a better solution because some configurable parameters are hidden from zfs get all Forgive me for not seeing it ... That link is extremely dense, and 34 pages

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-28 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: Darren J Moffat [mailto:darr...@opensolaris.org] It basically says that 'zfs send' gets a new '-b' option so send back properties, and 'zfs recv' gets a '-o' and '-x' option to allow explicit set/ignore of properties in the stream. It also adds a '-r' option for 'zfs set'. If/when

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-27 Thread Dav Banks
The reason for wanting raidz was to have some redundancy in the backup without the big hit on space that duplicating the data would have. The other issue is the switching process. More likely to have screwups if every week I, or someone else when I'm out, have to break and reset 24 mirrors

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-27 Thread Dav Banks
How's that working for you? Seems like it would be as straightforward as I was thinking - only possible. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-27 Thread Dav Banks
Thanks Cindy - I've been looking for an admin guide! I'll play with the split command - sounds interesting. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-27 Thread Dav Banks
Yeah, that's starting to sound like a fairly simple but equally robust solution. That may be the final solution. Thanks! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-27 Thread Dav Banks
True! I don't need the same level of redundancy on the backup as the primary. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-27 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dav Banks This message: How's that working for you? Seems like it would be as straightforward as I was thinking - only possible. And this message: Yeah, that's starting to sound like a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-27 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 27/07/2010 13:28, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: The opposite is also true. If you have any special properties set on your main pool, they won't automatically be set on your receiving pool. So I personally recommend saving zpool get all and zfs get all into a txt file, and store it along with

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-27 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 27, 2010, at 7:13 AM, Darren J Moffat wrote: On 27/07/2010 13:28, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: The opposite is also true. If you have any special properties set on your main pool, they won't automatically be set on your receiving pool. So I personally recommend saving zpool get all and

[zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-26 Thread Dav Banks
This may have been covered somewhere but I couldn't find it. Is it possible to mirror two raidz vdevs? Like a RAID50 basically. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-26 Thread Serge Fonville
Hi, Is it possible to mirror two raidz vdevs? Like a RAID50 basically. Raid 50 is striped... basically: zpool create tank raidz c0t0d0 c0t0d1 c0t0d2 raidz c1t0d0 c1t0d1 c0t0d2 Other than that, I believe it is not possible to create a mirrored pool from raidz vdevs Regards, Serge Fonville

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010, Dav Banks wrote: This may have been covered somewhere but I couldn't find it. Is it possible to mirror two raidz vdevs? Like a RAID50 basically. This config is not supported by zfs. It should be possible to do though if you are really serious about it. You can create

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-26 Thread Dav Banks
Ah. Thanks! I should have said RAID51 - a mirror of RAID5 elements. Thanks for the info. Bummer that it can't be done. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-26 Thread Saxon, Will
-Original Message- From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dav Banks Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 2:02 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz This may have been covered somewhere but I

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-26 Thread David Magda
On Mon, July 26, 2010 14:17, Dav Banks wrote: Ah. Thanks! I should have said RAID51 - a mirror of RAID5 elements. Thanks for the info. Bummer that it can't be done. Out of curiosity, any particular reason why you want to do this? ___ zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-26 Thread Cindy Swearingen
...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Dav Banks Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 2:02 PM To: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz This may have been covered somewhere but I couldn't find it. Is it possible to mirror two raidz vdevs? Like a RAID50 basically. RAID50 is not a mirror

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-26 Thread Dav Banks
I wanted to test it as a backup solution. Maybe that's crazy in itself but I want to try it. Basically, once a week detach the 'backup' pool from the mirror, replace the drives, add the new raidz to the mirror and let it resilver and sit for a week. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-26 Thread Alex Blewitt
On 26 Jul 2010, at 19:51, Dav Banks davba...@virginia.edu wrote: I wanted to test it as a backup solution. Maybe that's crazy in itself but I want to try it. Basically, once a week detach the 'backup' pool from the mirror, replace the drives, add the new raidz to the mirror and let it

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-26 Thread Cindy Swearingen
You might look at the zpool split feature, where you can split off the disks from a mirrored pool to create an identical pool, described here: http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+zfs/docs ZFS Admin Guide, p. 87 Thanks, Cindy On 07/26/10 12:51, Dav Banks wrote: I wanted to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-26 Thread Ross Walker
On Jul 26, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Dav Banks davba...@virginia.edu wrote: I wanted to test it as a backup solution. Maybe that's crazy in itself but I want to try it. Basically, once a week detach the 'backup' pool from the mirror, replace the drives, add the new raidz to the mirror and let it

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-26 Thread David Magda
On Mon, July 26, 2010 14:51, Dav Banks wrote: I wanted to test it as a backup solution. Maybe that's crazy in itself but I want to try it. Basically, once a week detach the 'backup' pool from the mirror, replace the drives, add the new raidz to the mirror and let it resilver and sit for a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-26 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Mon, Jul 26 at 11:51, Dav Banks wrote: I wanted to test it as a backup solution. Maybe that's crazy in itself but I want to try it. Basically, once a week detach the 'backup' pool from the mirror, replace the drives, add the new raidz to the mirror and let it resilver and sit for a week.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-26 Thread Maurice Volaski
It should be possible to do though if you are really serious about it. You can create two zfs zvols (volumes) which are hopefully in two different raidz-based zfs pools, and then create a new zfs pool using those two devices. The end result would be three zfs pools. It is probably not a wise

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored raidz

2010-07-26 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Ross Walker If that's the case why not create a second pool called 'backup' and 'zfs send' periodically to the backup pool? +1 This is what I do.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored Raidz

2006-10-24 Thread Roch
Michel Kintz writes: Matthew Ahrens a écrit : Richard Elling - PAE wrote: Anthony Miller wrote: Hi, I've search the forums and not found any answer to the following. I have 2 JBOD arrays each with 4 disks. I want to create create a raidz on one array and have

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored Raidz

2006-10-24 Thread Dale Ghent
On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:56 AM, Michel Kintz wrote: It is not always a matter of more redundancy. In my customer's case, they have storage in 2 different rooms of their datacenter and want to mirror from one storage unit in one room to the other. So having in this case a combination of RAID-Z

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored Raidz

2006-10-24 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Oct 24, 2006, at 04:19, Roch wrote: Michel Kintz writes: Matthew Ahrens a écrit : Richard Elling - PAE wrote: Anthony Miller wrote: Hi, I've search the forums and not found any answer to the following. I have 2 JBOD arrays each with 4 disks. I want to create create a raidz on one

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored Raidz

2006-10-20 Thread Torrey McMahon
Anthony Miller wrote: Hi, I've search the forums and not found any answer to the following. I have 2 JBOD arrays each with 4 disks. I want to create create a raidz on one array and have it mirrored to the other array. Do you think this will get you more availability compared to a simple

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored Raidz

2006-10-20 Thread Ed Gould
On Oct 20, 2006, at 0:48, Torrey McMahon wrote: Anthony Miller wrote: I want to create create a raidz on one array and have it mirrored to the other array. Do you think this will get you more availability compared to a simple mirror? I'm curious as to why you would want to do this. This

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored Raidz

2006-10-20 Thread Richard Elling - PAE
Anthony Miller wrote: Hi, I've search the forums and not found any answer to the following. I have 2 JBOD arrays each with 4 disks. I want to create create a raidz on one array and have it mirrored to the other array. Today, the top level raid sets are assembled using dynamic striping.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored Raidz

2006-10-20 Thread Frank Cusack
On October 20, 2006 8:43:03 AM -0700 Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2006, at 0:48, Torrey McMahon wrote: Anthony Miller wrote: I want to create create a raidz on one array and have it mirrored to the other array. Do you think this will get you more availability compared to a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored Raidz

2006-10-20 Thread Richard Elling - PAE
Frank Cusack wrote: On October 20, 2006 8:43:03 AM -0700 Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 20, 2006, at 0:48, Torrey McMahon wrote: Anthony Miller wrote: I want to create create a raidz on one array and have it mirrored to the other array. Do you think this will get you more

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored Raidz

2006-10-20 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Richard Elling - PAE wrote: Anthony Miller wrote: Hi, I've search the forums and not found any answer to the following. I have 2 JBOD arrays each with 4 disks. I want to create create a raidz on one array and have it mirrored to the other array. Today, the top level raid sets are

[zfs-discuss] Mirrored Raidz

2006-10-19 Thread Anthony Miller
Hi, I've search the forums and not found any answer to the following. I have 2 JBOD arrays each with 4 disks. I want to create create a raidz on one array and have it mirrored to the other array. I've tried various command variations, but none seem to create what I want. e.g. zpool create

Re: [zfs-discuss] Mirrored Raidz

2006-10-19 Thread Frank Cusack
On October 19, 2006 9:02:47 PM -0700 Anthony Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've search the forums and not found any answer to the following. I have 2 JBOD arrays each with 4 disks. I want to create create a raidz on one array and have it mirrored to the other array. huh, why would you