Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-21 Thread Darren J Moffat
Bart Smaalders wrote: Jason J. W. Williams wrote: Not sure. I don't see an advantage to moving off UFS for boot pools. :-) -J Except of course that snapshots clones will surely be a nicer way of recovering from adverse administrative events... and make live upgrade and patching so much

Re[6]: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-20 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Jason, Wednesday, December 20, 2006, 1:02:36 AM, you wrote: JJWW Hi Robert JJWW I didn't take any offense. :-) I completely agree with you that zpool JJWW striping leverages standard RAID-0 knowledge in that if a device JJWW disappears your RAID group goes poof. That doesn't really

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-20 Thread Matthew Ahrens
Jason J. W. Williams wrote: INFORMATION: If a member of this striped zpool becomes unavailable or develops corruption, Solaris will kernel panic and reboot to protect your data. This is a bug, not a feature. We are currently working on fixing it. --matt

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-20 Thread Toby Thain
On 19-Dec-06, at 11:51 AM, Jonathan Edwards wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 10:15, Torrey McMahon wrote: Darren J Moffat wrote: Jonathan Edwards wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 07:17, Roch - PAE wrote: Shouldn't there be a big warning when configuring a pool with no redundancy and/or should that

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-20 Thread James C. McPherson
Jason J. W. Williams wrote: I agree with others here that the kernel panic is undesired behavior. If ZFS would simply offline the zpool and not kernel panic, that would obviate my request for an informational message. It'd be pretty darn obvious what was going on. What about the root/boot

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-20 Thread James C. McPherson
James C. McPherson wrote: Jason J. W. Williams wrote: I agree with others here that the kernel panic is undesired behavior. If ZFS would simply offline the zpool and not kernel panic, that would obviate my request for an informational message. It'd be pretty darn obvious what was going on.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-20 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
Not sure. I don't see an advantage to moving off UFS for boot pools. :-) -J On 12/20/06, James C. McPherson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason J. W. Williams wrote: I agree with others here that the kernel panic is undesired behavior. If ZFS would simply offline the zpool and not kernel panic,

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-20 Thread Bart Smaalders
Jason J. W. Williams wrote: Not sure. I don't see an advantage to moving off UFS for boot pools. :-) -J Except of course that snapshots clones will surely be a nicer way of recovering from adverse administrative events... -= Bart -- Bart Smaalders Solaris Kernel

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-19 Thread Roch - PAE
Shouldn't there be a big warning when configuring a pool with no redundancy and/or should that not require a -f flag ? -r Al Hopper writes: On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Ricardo Correia wrote: On Friday 15 December 2006 20:02, Dave Burleson wrote: Does anyone have a document that describes

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-19 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Dec 18, 2006, at 17:52, Richard Elling wrote: In general, the closer to the user you can make policy decisions, the better decisions you can make. The fact that we've had 10 years of RAID arrays acting like dumb block devices doesn't mean that will continue for the next 10 years :-)

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-19 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Dec 19, 2006, at 07:17, Roch - PAE wrote: Shouldn't there be a big warning when configuring a pool with no redundancy and/or should that not require a -f flag ? why? what if the redundancy is below the pool .. should we warn that ZFS isn't directly involved in redundancy decisions? ---

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-19 Thread Roch - PAE
Jonathan Edwards writes: On Dec 19, 2006, at 07:17, Roch - PAE wrote: Shouldn't there be a big warning when configuring a pool with no redundancy and/or should that not require a -f flag ? why? what if the redundancy is below the pool .. should we warn that ZFS isn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-19 Thread Darren J Moffat
Jonathan Edwards wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 07:17, Roch - PAE wrote: Shouldn't there be a big warning when configuring a pool with no redundancy and/or should that not require a -f flag ? why? what if the redundancy is below the pool .. should we warn that ZFS isn't directly involved in

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-19 Thread Torrey McMahon
Darren J Moffat wrote: Jonathan Edwards wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 07:17, Roch - PAE wrote: Shouldn't there be a big warning when configuring a pool with no redundancy and/or should that not require a -f flag ? why? what if the redundancy is below the pool .. should we warn that ZFS isn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-19 Thread Darren J Moffat
Torrey McMahon wrote: Darren J Moffat wrote: Jonathan Edwards wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 07:17, Roch - PAE wrote: Shouldn't there be a big warning when configuring a pool with no redundancy and/or should that not require a -f flag ? why? what if the redundancy is below the pool .. should

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-19 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Dec 19, 2006, at 10:15, Torrey McMahon wrote: Darren J Moffat wrote: Jonathan Edwards wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 07:17, Roch - PAE wrote: Shouldn't there be a big warning when configuring a pool with no redundancy and/or should that not require a -f flag ? why? what if the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-19 Thread Richard Elling
Torrey McMahon wrote: The first bug we'll get when adding a ZFS is not going to be able to fix data inconsistency problems error message to every pool creation or similar operation is going to be Need a flag to turn off the warning message... Richard pines for ditto blocks for data... --

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-19 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
Shouldn't there be a big warning when configuring a pool with no redundancy and/or should that not require a -f flag ? why? what if the redundancy is below the pool .. should we warn that ZFS isn't directly involved in redundancy decisions? Because if the host controller port goes flaky and

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-19 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Jason, Tuesday, December 19, 2006, 8:54:09 PM, you wrote: Shouldn't there be a big warning when configuring a pool with no redundancy and/or should that not require a -f flag ? why? what if the redundancy is below the pool .. should we warn that ZFS isn't directly involved in

Re[4]: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-19 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Jason, Tuesday, December 19, 2006, 11:23:56 PM, you wrote: JJWW Hi Robert, JJWW I don't think its about assuming the admin is an idiot. It happened to JJWW me in development and I didn't expect it...I hope I'm not an idiot. JJWW :-) JJWW Just observing the list, a fair amount of people

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-18 Thread Torrey McMahon
Al Hopper wrote: On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Ricardo Correia wrote: On Friday 15 December 2006 20:02, Dave Burleson wrote: Does anyone have a document that describes ZFS in a pure SAN environment? What will and will not work? From some of the information I have been gathering it doesn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-18 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Dec 18, 2006, at 16:13, Torrey McMahon wrote: Al Hopper wrote: On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Ricardo Correia wrote: On Friday 15 December 2006 20:02, Dave Burleson wrote: Does anyone have a document that describes ZFS in a pure SAN environment? What will and will not work? From some of the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-18 Thread Richard Elling
comment far below... Jonathan Edwards wrote: On Dec 18, 2006, at 16:13, Torrey McMahon wrote: Al Hopper wrote: On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Ricardo Correia wrote: On Friday 15 December 2006 20:02, Dave Burleson wrote: Does anyone have a document that describes ZFS in a pure SAN environment?

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-18 Thread Al Hopper
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Torrey McMahon wrote: Al Hopper wrote: On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Ricardo Correia wrote: On Friday 15 December 2006 20:02, Dave Burleson wrote: Does anyone have a document that describes ZFS in a pure SAN environment? What will and will not work? From some of

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-17 Thread Ricardo Correia
On Friday 15 December 2006 20:02, Dave Burleson wrote: Does anyone have a document that describes ZFS in a pure SAN environment? What will and will not work? From some of the information I have been gathering it doesn't appear that ZFS was intended to operate in a SAN environment. This

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-17 Thread Al Hopper
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Ricardo Correia wrote: On Friday 15 December 2006 20:02, Dave Burleson wrote: Does anyone have a document that describes ZFS in a pure SAN environment? What will and will not work? From some of the information I have been gathering it doesn't appear that ZFS was

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-17 Thread Gregory Shaw
On Dec 17, 2006, at 6:57 PM, Al Hopper wrote: On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Ricardo Correia wrote: On Friday 15 December 2006 20:02, Dave Burleson wrote: Does anyone have a document that describes ZFS in a pure SAN environment? What will and will not work? From some of the information I have been

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-15 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Dave, Friday, December 15, 2006, 9:02:31 PM, you wrote: DB Does anyone have a document that describes ZFS in a pure DB SAN environment? What will and will not work? ZFS is just a filesystem with just an integrated volume manager. Ok, it's more than that. The point is that if any other

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS in a SAN environment

2006-12-15 Thread Mike Seda
I use zfs in a san. I have two Sun V440s running solaris 10 U2, which have luns assigned to them from my Sun SE 3511. So far, it has worked flawlessly. Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Dave, Friday, December 15, 2006, 9:02:31 PM, you wrote: DB Does anyone have a document that describes ZFS in