Re: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-12 Thread Manoj Joseph
Ayaz, Ayaz Anjum wrote: HI ! I have some concerns here, from my experience in the past, touching a file ( doing some IO ) will cause the ufs filesystem to failover, unlike zfs where it did not ! Why the behaviour of zfs different than ufs ? is not this compromising data integrity ? As

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-12 Thread Roch - PAE
. Please explain. thaks Ayaz Anjum Darren Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/12/2007 05:45 AM To zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org cc Subject Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs ! I have some concerns here

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Ayaz Anjum
Milkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recipients: Manoj Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ayaz Anjum [EMAIL PROTECTED],zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs ! Date: 03/08/2007 02:34:20 PM Hello Manoj, Thursday, March 8, 2007, 7:10:57 AM, you wrote: MJ Ayaz Anjum wrote: 2

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Darren Dunham
I have some concerns here, from my experience in the past, touching a file ( doing some IO ) will cause the ufs filesystem to failover, unlike zfs where it did not ! Why the behaviour of zfs different than ufs ? UFS always does synchronous metadata updates. So a 'touch' that creates a file

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Ayaz Anjum
updating file. Hence my concerns about data integrity. Please explain. thaks Ayaz Anjum Darren Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/12/2007 05:45 AM To zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org cc Subject Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs ! I have some concerns here

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Toby Thain
@opensolaris.org cc Subject Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs ! I have some concerns here, from my experience in the past, touching a file ( doing some IO ) will cause the ufs filesystem to failover, unlike zfs where it did not ! Why the behaviour of zfs different than ufs ? UFS always

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Stuart Low
Heya, I believe Robert and Darren have offered sufficient explanations: You cannot be assured of committed data unless you've sync'd it. You are only risking data loss if your users and/or applications assume data is committed without seeing a completed sync, which would be a design error.

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-08 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Manoj, Thursday, March 8, 2007, 7:10:57 AM, you wrote: MJ Ayaz Anjum wrote: 2. with zfs mounted on one cluster node, i created a file and keeps it updating every second, then i removed the fc cable, the writes are still continuing to the file system, after 10 seconds i have put back

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-08 Thread Selim Daoud
robert, this applies only if you have full control on the application forsure ..but how do you do it if you don't own the application ... can you mount zfs with forcedirectio flag ? selim On 3/8/07, Robert Milkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Manoj, Thursday, March 8, 2007, 7:10:57 AM,

Re[4]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-08 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Selim, Thursday, March 8, 2007, 8:08:50 PM, you wrote: SD robert, SD this applies only if you have full control on the application forsure SD ..but how do you do it if you don't own the application ... can you SD mount zfs with forcedirectio flag ? No -- Best regards, Robert

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-08 Thread Roch Bourbonnais
Le 8 mars 07 à 20:08, Selim Daoud a écrit : robert, this applies only if you have full control on the application forsure ..but how do you do it if you don't own the application ... can you mount zfs with forcedirectio flag ? selim ufs directio and O_DSYNC are different things. Would a

RE: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-08 Thread Bruce Shaw
Would a forcesync flag be something of interest to the community ? Yes. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-08 Thread Selim Daoud
it's an absolute necessity On 3/8/07, Roch Bourbonnais [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le 8 mars 07 à 20:08, Selim Daoud a écrit : robert, this applies only if you have full control on the application forsure ..but how do you do it if you don't own the application ... can you mount zfs with

[zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-07 Thread Ayaz Anjum
HI ! I have tested the following scenario created a zfs filesystem as part of HAStoragePlus in SunCluster 3.2, Solaris 11/06 Currently i am having only one fc hba per server. 1. There is no IO to the zfs mountpoint. I disconnected the FC cable. Filesystem on zfs still shows as mounted

Re: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-07 Thread Manoj Joseph
Ayaz Anjum wrote: HI ! I have tested the following scenario created a zfs filesystem as part of HAStoragePlus in SunCluster 3.2, Solaris 11/06 Currently i am having only one fc hba per server. 1. There is no IO to the zfs mountpoint. I disconnected the FC cable. Filesystem on zfs still