Re: [zfs-discuss] Dynamics of ZFS

2006-06-21 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Roch, Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 2:31:25 PM, you wrote: R This just published: R R http://blogs.sun.com/roller/trackback/roch/Weblog/the_dynamics_of_zfs Proper link is: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/roch?entry=the_dynamics_of_zfs -- Best regards, Robert

[zfs-discuss] ZFS and Virtualization

2006-06-21 Thread Dagobert Michelsen
Hi experts, I have few issues about ZFS and virtualization: [b]Virtualization and performance[/b] When filesystem traffic occurs on a zpool containing only spindles dedicated to this zpool i/o can be distributed evenly. When the zpool is located on a lun sliced from a raid group shared by

[zfs-discuss] Re: RE: [Security-discuss] Proposal for new basic privileges related with

2006-06-21 Thread Jim Walker
I am also interested in writing some test cases that will check the correct semantic of access checks on files with different permissions and with different privileges set/unset by the process. Are there already file access test cases at Sun I may expand? Should test suites for OpenSolaris

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS questions (hybrid HDs)

2006-06-21 Thread Anton B. Rang
Actually, while Seagate's little white paper doesn't explicitly say so, the FLASH is used for a write cache and that provides one of the major benefits: Writes to the disk rarely need to spin up the motor. Probably 90+% of all writes to disk will fit into the cache in a typical laptop

[zfs-discuss] Re: Properties of ZFS snapshots I'd like to see...

2006-06-21 Thread Dagobert Michelsen
Hi Constantin, The basic problem with regular snapshotting is that you end up managing so many of them. Wouldn't it be nice if you could assign an expiration date to a snapshot? The only reason you want the snapshot removed is because you don't want your pool to become full. IIRC VxFS has a

Re: [zfs-discuss] 15 minute fdsync problem and ZFS: Solved

2006-06-21 Thread Sean Meighan
The vi we were doing was a 2 line file. If you just vi a new file, add one line and exit it would take 15 minutes in fdsynch. On recommendation of a workaround we set set zfs:zil_disable=1 after the reboot the fdsynch is now 0.1 seconds. Now I have no idea if it was this setting or the fact

Re: [zfs-discuss] 15 minute fdsync problem and ZFS: Solved

2006-06-21 Thread Neil Perrin
Well this does look more and more like a duplicate of: 6413510 zfs: writing to ZFS filesystem slows down fsync() on other files in the same FS Neil ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] 15 minute fdsync problem and ZFS: Solved

2006-06-21 Thread Roch
Sean Meighan writes: The vi we were doing was a 2 line file. If you just vi a new file, add one line and exit it would take 15 minutes in fdsynch. On recommendation of a workaround we set set zfs:zil_disable=1 after the reboot the fdsynch is now 0.1 seconds. Now I have no idea

Re: [zfs-discuss] Proposal for new basic privileges related with file system access checks

2006-06-21 Thread Mark Shellenbaum
Nicolai Johannes wrote: For my Google Summer of Code project for OpenSolaris, my job is to think about new basic privileges. I like to propose five new basic privileges that relate with file system access checks and may be used for daemons like ssh or ssh-agent that (after starting up) never

Re: [zfs-discuss] 15 minute fdsync problem and ZFS: Solved

2006-06-21 Thread Torrey McMahon
Roch wrote: Sean Meighan writes: The vi we were doing was a 2 line file. If you just vi a new file, add one line and exit it would take 15 minutes in fdsynch. On recommendation of a workaround we set set zfs:zil_disable=1 after the reboot the fdsynch is now 0.1 seconds. Now I

Re: [zfs-discuss] 15 minute fdsync problem and ZFS: Solved

2006-06-21 Thread Neil Perrin
Torrey McMahon wrote On 06/21/06 10:29,: Roch wrote: Sean Meighan writes: The vi we were doing was a 2 line file. If you just vi a new file, add one line and exit it would take 15 minutes in fdsynch. On recommendation of a workaround we set set zfs:zil_disable=1 after the

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] 15 minute fdsync problem and ZFS: Solved

2006-06-21 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Neil, Wednesday, June 21, 2006, 6:41:50 PM, you wrote: NP Torrey McMahon wrote On 06/21/06 10:29,: Roch wrote: Sean Meighan writes: The vi we were doing was a 2 line file. If you just vi a new file, add one line and exit it would take 15 minutes in fdsynch. On recommendation

Re: [zfs-discuss] 15 minute fdsync problem and ZFS: Solved

2006-06-21 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 10:41:50AM -0600, Neil Perrin wrote: Why is this option available then? (Yes, that's a loaded question.) I wouldn't call it an option, but an internal debugging switch that I originally added to allow progress when initially integrating the ZIL. As Roch says it really

Re: [zfs-discuss] 15 minute fdsync problem and ZFS: Solved

2006-06-21 Thread Torrey McMahon
Nicolas Williams wrote: On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 10:41:50AM -0600, Neil Perrin wrote: Why is this option available then? (Yes, that's a loaded question.) I wouldn't call it an option, but an internal debugging switch that I originally added to allow progress when initially integrating

Re: [zfs-discuss] 15 minute fdsync problem and ZFS: Solved

2006-06-21 Thread Neil Perrin
Robert Milkowski wrote On 06/21/06 11:09,: Hello Neil, Why is this option available then? (Yes, that's a loaded question.) NP I wouldn't call it an option, but an internal debugging switch that I NP originally added to allow progress when initially integrating the ZIL. NP As Roch says it

AW: [zfs-discuss] Proposal for new basic privileges related with filesystem access checks

2006-06-21 Thread Nicolai Johannes
Thank you for your hints. I already investigated the zfs/ufs/tmpfs code when I wrote my proposal. When I wrote check if set, I mean doing this with new secpolicy_vnode_* functions. The check for the already existing privileges would of course stay in secpolicy_vnode_owner and

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Flash archives

2006-06-21 Thread Lori Alt
I checked into this and got some information from the install group. What I learned is this: the process of creating a flash archive is just a matter of using cpio/pax to make a copy of the contents of an installed system. A flash archive doesn't contain any information about the configuration

Re: [zfs-discuss] 15 minute fdsync problem and ZFS: Solved

2006-06-21 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:15, Neil Perrin wrote: Of course we would need to stress the dangers of setting 'deferred'. What do you guys think? I can think of a use case for deferred: improving the efficiency of a large mega-transaction/batch job such as a nightly build. You create an initially

RE: [zfs-discuss] 15 minute fdsync problem and ZFS: Solved

2006-06-21 Thread Martin, Marcia R
Did I miss something on this thread? Was the root cause of the 15-minute fsync every actually determined? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of eric kustarz Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc:

[zfs-discuss] Multipathing and ZFS

2006-06-21 Thread Craig Cory
I have had a brief introduction to ZFS and while discussing it with some other folks the question came up about use with multipathed storage. What, if any, configuration or interaction does ZFS have with a multipathed storage setup - however it may be managed. thanks! Craig Cory Senior

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Flash archives

2006-06-21 Thread Phil Brown
Lori Alt wrote: zfs-aware. So the answer to your question is that you can create a flash archive from this system with zfs filesystems, but until the install software is zfs-aware, you can't use the archive to create a system with zfs pools and datasets. yeah that sort of stuff is usually

AW: AW: [zfs-discuss] Proposal for new basic privileges related with filesystem access checks

2006-06-21 Thread Nicolai Johannes
After reading the mails concerning my proposal on the list, I realized the points that were not clear enough in my proposal. First of all, I totally aggree with all your statements, if the new privileges were not basic privileges. All new privileges are basic privileges. So they will be

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS on 32bit x86

2006-06-21 Thread Mark Maybee
Yup, your probably running up against the limitations of 32-bit kernel addressability. We are currently very conservative in this environment, and so tend to end up with a small cache as a result. It may be possible to tweak things to get larger cache sizes, but you run the risk of starving out

Re: AW: AW: [zfs-discuss] Proposal for new basic privileges related with filesystem access checks

2006-06-21 Thread Mark Shellenbaum
Nicolai Johannes wrote: After reading the mails concerning my proposal on the list, I realized the points that were not clear enough in my proposal. First of all, I totally aggree with all your statements, if the new privileges were not basic privileges. All new privileges are basic

[zfs-discuss] Let's get cooking...

2006-06-21 Thread Jim Mauro
http://www.tech-recipes.com/solaris_system_administration_tips1446.html ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: AW: AW: [zfs-discuss] Proposal for new basic privileges related with filesystem access checks

2006-06-21 Thread Casper . Dik
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Re: AW: AW: [zfs-discuss] Proposal for new basic privileges related with filesystem access checks

2006-06-21 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 01:01:38AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure if I like the name, then; nor the emphasis on the euid/egid (as those terms are not commonly used in the kernel; there's a reason why the effective uid was cr-cr_uid and not cr_euid. In other words, what your are

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and Flash archives

2006-06-21 Thread Mike Gerdts
On 6/21/06, Lori Alt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I checked into this and got some information from the install group. What I learned is this: the process of creating a flash archive is just a matter of using cpio/pax to make a copy of the contents of an installed system. A flash archive doesn't

Re: AW: AW: [zfs-discuss] Proposal for new basic privileges related with filesystem access checks

2006-06-21 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 02:45:50AM +0200, Nicolai Johannes wrote: Spo as I have understood you, explaining the new privileges with the term anonymous user would be better? I actually thought about that idea, but there is a subtle difference: Hmmm, no I have no good name for it. Concerning

Re: [zfs-discuss] 15 minute fdsync problem and ZFS: Solved

2006-06-21 Thread Jason Ozolins
Bill Sommerfeld wrote: On Wed, 2006-06-21 at 14:15, Neil Perrin wrote: Of course we would need to stress the dangers of setting 'deferred'. What do you guys think? I can think of a use case for deferred: improving the efficiency of a large mega-transaction/batch job such as a nightly build.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS questions (hybrid HDs)

2006-06-21 Thread Darren Reed
Anton B. Rang wrote: Actually, while Seagate's little white paper doesn't explicitly say so, the FLASH is used for a write cache and that provides one of the major benefits: Writes to the disk rarely need to spin up the motor. Probably 90+% of all writes to disk will fit into the cache in a