[zfs-discuss] Re: Is there an idiot's guide to creating network access for users?

2007-02-25 Thread Tor
Warning: You are now entering The Bad Joke Zone!!!
Well, I'm actually leaning more towards Linedance...
Thank you. You are now exiting The Bad Joke Zone.

Sorry, just had to get that one off my chest...sort of to conceal that I 
haven't got the foggiest idea. I didn't even know that there were different 
methods. I have downloaded the DVD image and I'm going to start installing 
tomorrow morning. I suppose I can say with confidence that I would prefer to 
use the easiest method available! :-) The thing is I don't really need anything 
more fancy than to be able to have user groups where the groups can either only 
read, both read and write or none of the above. Certain movies should only be 
accessible from the bedroom, for instance... ;-) But then this is very basic, I 
suppose. So what method would you recommend for this?

I know absolutely nothing about *Nix (isn't that the correct lingo?) yet, but 
I'm pretty good at learning as I go. I have an 80 gig drive that I'm gonna use 
as a root drive (I think that's what it's called), and I think my first ZFS 
experiments will be with a partition on that, without risking my DVD/HD 
collection in the beginning. If possible I will do the install with the drive 
connected to the PCI IDE card since the first drive on that shows up as the 
first drive on the computer (don't know why, all other motherboards I used had 
this on before has put the mobo IDE ports first). I'm so stupid I don't yet 
know if I'm gonna see a GUI when OpenSolaris is installed or only a command 
line. But what I see doesn't really matter, I will see and conquer! :-)

Tor
 
 
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Are media files compressable with ZFS?

2007-02-25 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 11:15:33AM -0800, Tor wrote:
 I have read the FAQ, and it states that encrypted data can't be
 compressed. But is there any point in using compression on my media
 file server, that will store ripped DVD's (which are compressed in
 their default state), our digital photos (JPEG - also compressed) and
 HD files (mostly .ts (transport stream) - also a form of
 compressionI). In other words can ZFS compress compressed files? Or
 should I just forget about having compression enabled?

You can't compress encrypted files -- being able to would indicate that
the crypto is broken.

You can't compress already-compressed data.

Not all data can be compressed by a given algorithm.

Turning on compression for some ZFS filesystem and then writing
pre-compresed or encrypted data to that filesystem will only waste CPU
cycles though -- ZFS will try to compress the data, fail to get a good
enough compression ratio, and then store the data without compression.

Nico
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[zfs-discuss] .zfs snapshot directory in all directories

2007-02-25 Thread Thomas Garner

Since I have been unable to find the answer online, I thought I would
ask here.  Is there a knob to turn to on a zfs filesystem put the .zfs
snapshot directory into all of the children directories of the
filesystem, like the .snapshot directories of NetApp systems, instead
of just the root of the filesystem?

Thanks!
Thomas
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Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs bogus (10 u3)?

2007-02-25 Thread Wee Yeh Tan

Jens,

What's the output of
 zpool list
 zfs list
?

On 2/26/07, Jens Elkner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is somebody able to explain this?

elkner.isis /zpool1  df -h
...
zpool1  21T   623G20T 3%/zpool1
...
elkner.isis /zpool1  ls -al
total 1306050271
drwxr-xr-x   2 root sys4 Feb 26 00:14 .
drwxr-xr-x  25 root root 512 Feb 25 23:43 ..
-rw--T   1 root root 549755813888 Feb 26 00:14 bla
-rw--T   1 root root 549755813888 Feb 26 00:35 blabla

elkner.isis /zpool1  + zpool status
  pool: zpool1
 state: ONLINE
 scrub: scrub completed with 0 errors on Mon Feb 26 00:54:51 2007
config:

NAMESTATE READ WRITE CKSUM
zpool1  ONLINE   0 0 0
  raidz1ONLINE   0 0 0
c0t0d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c1t0d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c4t0d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c6t0d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c7t0d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
  raidz1ONLINE   0 0 0
c0t1d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c1t1d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c4t1d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c5t1d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c6t1d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c7t1d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
  raidz1ONLINE   0 0 0
c0t2d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c1t2d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c4t2d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c5t2d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c6t2d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c7t2d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
  raidz1ONLINE   0 0 0
c0t3d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c1t3d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c4t3d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c5t3d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c6t3d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c7t3d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
  raidz1ONLINE   0 0 0
c0t4d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c1t4d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c4t4d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c6t4d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c7t4d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
  raidz1ONLINE   0 0 0
c0t5d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c1t5d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c4t5d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c5t5d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c6t5d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c7t5d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
  raidz1ONLINE   0 0 0
c0t6d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c1t6d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c4t6d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c5t6d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c6t6d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c7t6d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
  raidz1ONLINE   0 0 0
c0t7d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c1t7d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c4t7d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c5t7d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c6t7d0  ONLINE   0 0 0
c7t7d0  ONLINE   0 0 0

errors: No known data errors


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[zfs-discuss] Efficiency when reading the same file blocks

2007-02-25 Thread Jeff Davis
if you have N processes reading the same file sequentially (where file size is 
much greater than physical memory) from the same starting position, should I 
expect that all N processes finish in the same time as if it were a single 
process?

In other words, if you have one process that reads blocks from a file, is it 
free (meaning no additional total I/O cost) to have another process read the 
same blocks from the same file at the same time?
 
 
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Efficiency when reading the same file blocks

2007-02-25 Thread Neil Perrin



Jeff Davis wrote On 02/25/07 20:28,:

if you have N processes reading the same file sequentially (where file size is 
much greater than physical memory) from the same starting position, should I 
expect that all N processes finish in the same time as if it were a single 
process?


Yes I would expect them to finish the same time. There should be no additional 
reads because

the data will be in the ZFS cache (ARC).

Given your question are you about to come back with a case where you are not 
seeing this?


Neil.
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[zfs-discuss] How do i know which file system I am using?

2007-02-25 Thread Vikrant Kumar Choudhary
I am using Solaris 10 and i am not a super user. How do i know which filesytem 
,i am using. and can i use ZFS filesystem locally. I mean in case  my admin is 
not using that can i test it locally.


Thanks,
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Re: [zfs-discuss] How do i know which file system I am using?

2007-02-25 Thread dudekula mastan

I am using Solaris 10 and i am not a super user. How do i know which 
filesytem ,i am using. 
  
  To know FS type of a device use fstyp command. For more information about 
this command refer man page.
  and can i use ZFS filesystem locally. I mean in case my admin is not using 
that can i test it locally.
   Yes, you can...
   
  -Masthan




 
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Re: [zfs-discuss] How do i know which file system I am using?

2007-02-25 Thread Frank Cusack
On February 25, 2007 10:46:38 PM -0800 Vikrant Kumar Choudhary 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am using Solaris 10 and i am not a super user. How do i know which
filesytem ,i am using. and can i use ZFS filesystem locally. I mean in
case  my admin is not using that can i test it locally.


That's interesting.  If you are not super-user, why do you care?

If you're not the super-user there's no way you can use it locally
(as a non-superuser) that I can think of.

-frank
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Re: [zfs-discuss] How do i know which file system I am using?

2007-02-25 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 10:46:38PM -0800, Vikrant Kumar Choudhary wrote:
 I am using Solaris 10 and i am not a super user. How do i know which
 filesytem ,i am using. and can i use ZFS filesystem locally. I mean in
 case  my admin is not using that can i test it locally.

df(1M) and mount(1M) show the types of mounted filesystems (e.g.,
df -n . shows the type of filesystem that contains the shell's current
directory.)

As Dudekula points out, fstyp(1M) shows the type of filesystem contained
in a device (or file), sortof like a file(1) command specifically geared
to know only about filesystem types (and to look in devices).

As Frank points out, unless the administrator delegates some power to
you you won't be able to play with ZFS.

Nico
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