Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-02-02 Thread Guanghui Wang
Someone had tell me that s10u5 will not contain your need SSD or NVRAM separate for zfs intent log. Finally, s10u5 will only contain a small part of bugfix. But s10u6 will be a quite huge wad of features/fixes. Set nocacheflush=1 will huge improve your nfs client's performance when use a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-02-02 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Jan 30, 2008 2:27 PM, Jonathan Loran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before ranting any more, I'll do the test of disabling the ZIL. We may have to build out these systems with Open Solaris, but that will be hard as they are in production. I would have to install the new OS on test systems and

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-02-02 Thread Jonathan Loran
This is true, but I think it's the testing bit that worries me. It's hard to lab out, and fully test an equivalent setup that has 350 active clients pounding on it to test usability and stability. One of our boxes has a boat load of special software running and various tweaks, that also

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-31 Thread Guanghui Wang
I dont know when will U5 or U6 coming,so i just set zfs_nocacheflush=1 to /etc/system,and the performance will speed up like zil_disable=1,and that's more safe for the filesystem. the separate zlog feature is not in U4,the nfs performance on zfs will be too slow when you do not set

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-31 Thread Jonathan Loran
Guanghui Wang wrote: I dont know when will U5 or U6 coming,so i just set zfs_nocacheflush=1 to /etc/system,and the performance will speed up like zil_disable=1,and that's more safe for the filesystem. the separate zlog feature is not in U4,the nfs performance on zfs will be too slow

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-30 Thread Roch - PAE
Jonathan Loran writes: Is it true that Solaris 10 u4 does not have any of the nice ZIL controls that exist in the various recent Open Solaris flavors? I would like to move my ZIL to solid state storage, but I fear I can't do it until I have another update. Heck, I would be happy

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-30 Thread Neil Perrin
Roch - PAE wrote: Jonathan Loran writes: Is it true that Solaris 10 u4 does not have any of the nice ZIL controls that exist in the various recent Open Solaris flavors? I would like to move my ZIL to solid state storage, but I fear I can't do it until I have another update.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-30 Thread Jonathan Loran
Neil Perrin wrote: Roch - PAE wrote: Jonathan Loran writes: Is it true that Solaris 10 u4 does not have any of the nice ZIL controls that exist in the various recent Open Solaris flavors? I would like to move my ZIL to solid state storage, but I fear I can't do it until I

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-30 Thread Vincent Fox
Are you already running with zfs_nocacheflush=1? We have SAN arrays with dual battery-backed controllers for the cache, so we definitely have this set on all our production systems. It makes a big difference for us. As I said before I don't see the catastrophe in disabling ZIL though. We

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-30 Thread Dale Ghent
On Jan 30, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Vincent Fox wrote: What we ended up doing, for political reasons, was putting the squeeze on our Sun reps and getting a 10u4 kernel spin patch with... what did they call it? Oh yeah a big wad of ZFS fixes. So this ends up being a hug PITA because for the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-30 Thread Marion Hakanson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I feel like we're being hung out to dry here. I've got 70TB on 9 various Solaris 10 u4 servers, with different data sets. All of these are NFS servers. Two servers have a ton of small files, with a lot of read and write updating, and NFS performance on these are

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-30 Thread Jonathan Loran
Vincent Fox wrote: Are you already running with zfs_nocacheflush=1? We have SAN arrays with dual battery-backed controllers for the cache, so we definitely have this set on all our production systems. It makes a big difference for us. No, we're not using the zfs_nocacheflush=1, but

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-30 Thread Neil Perrin
Jonathan Loran wrote: Vincent Fox wrote: Are you already running with zfs_nocacheflush=1? We have SAN arrays with dual battery-backed controllers for the cache, so we definitely have this set on all our production systems. It makes a big difference for us. No, we're not using the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-30 Thread Vincent Fox
No, we're not using the zfs_nocacheflush=1, but our SAN array's are set to cache all writebacks, so it shouldn't be needed. I may test this, if get the chance to reboot one of the servers, but I'll bet the storage rrays' are working correctly. Bzzzt, wrong. Read up on a few threads

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-30 Thread Steve Hillman
However, I'm also unhappy about having to wait for S10U6 for the separate ZIL and/or cache features of ZFS. The lack of NV ZIL on our new Thumper makes it painfully slow over NFS for the large number of file create/delete type of workload. I did a bit of testing on this (because I'm in the

[zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-29 Thread Jonathan Loran
Is it true that Solaris 10 u4 does not have any of the nice ZIL controls that exist in the various recent Open Solaris flavors? I would like to move my ZIL to solid state storage, but I fear I can't do it until I have another update. Heck, I would be happy to just be able to turn the ZIL

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-29 Thread Jim Mauro
http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/ZFS_Evil_Tuning_Guide#Disabling_the_ZIL_.28Don.27t.29 The above link shows how to disable to ZIL for testing purposes (it's not generally recommended to keep it disabled in production). As to the putpack schedule of recent ZFS features into

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-29 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 08:28:42PM -0500, Jim Mauro wrote: As to the putpack schedule of recent ZFS features into Solaris 10, I'm afraid I don't have the information. Hopefully, someone else will know... I've got a box that I'm setting up soon (now, really) and I'd love to know when the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL controls in Solaris 10 U4?

2008-01-29 Thread Vincent Fox
As other poster noted, you can disable it completely for testing. From my understanding though, it's not as production-catastrophic as it sounds to delay or disable ZIL. Many people run Linux boxes with ext3 in the standard setting, which only journals metadata, not file content. So the