build.log
Description: Binary data
Is it possible to do this?
Thanks...
binary packages: how to:
1. find out if a package is binary before you install it (e.g. where on
app-arch/rar does it say it's a binary package)
2. inhibit their installation
3. get a list of the ones installed on a system
Any ideas about that are appreciated.
I'll byte. I avoided commenting on this yesterday on the principle that
if you have to explain the joke then it's no longer funny, but here's
my interpretation.
On Oct 31, 2005, at 11:54 am, Holly Bostick wrote:
There are 10 kinds of people in the world
Those who understand binary, and those
Hi list,
I was wondering how it works for binary packages when they are compiled:
Are all binary packages compiled on Gentoo infrastructure after a source
upload from the maintainer, or are there any binary packages compiled on
maintainers computers and then uploaded on Gentoo infra?
In fact
Hi!
'diff' is text oriented tool. I there some kind of such tool
oriented to binary files/subtrees comparison?
Thanks!
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Andrew Gaydenko wrote:
Hi!
'diff' is text oriented tool. I there some kind of such tool
oriented to binary files/subtrees comparison?
Thanks!
'od | diff'
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Is there a benefit of compiling Openoffice 2.0 vs. installing from
binary.
I've AMD 1.8Mhz with 1Gb or Ram and it has been compiling OO 2.0 for
7-hours already.
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Sorry, the files were missing.
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Regards,
Alex
cupsd.conf
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cups-files.conf
Description: Binary data
Hi,
is it possible to sign a binary package to prevent it to be
compromised ?
If yes how can i check the signature from the package downloaded by
PORTAGE_BINHOST ?
Thanks :)
On 5/30/05, Ow Mun Heng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think those binary packages
propagate into /var/db as well. (IF they do, I think they might not
reflect the actual USE flags used to built the binary.
This probably accounts for revdep-rebuild never
There are two packages of chrome on repository, one is the binary
version officially made available by Google and another is the open
source version chromium.
Since Gentoo updates libraries very quickly, I'm wondering if it is
safe to use the binary version? Has anyone faced library breakages
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:04 AM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote:
Did you compile the used libraries using the exact same options on both
systems as well?
When compiling a static binary, the libraries are included into the resulting
binary.
If the libraries on Gentoo are bigger
Hi,
Due to problems with coreutils w/ 'xattr' USE-flag (cp) can't remerge it
as some other packages.
So need a binary package w/o xattr, a newer version will
probably solve this too (need a i686-binary).
Seems i could also use the install disk to get it but don't have one
available.
Any hints
./casper/filesystem.squashfs: FAILED open or read
md5sum: ./casper/initrd.gz: No such file or directory
./casper/initrd.gz: FAILED open or read
md5sum: ./casper/vmlinuz: No such file or directory
./casper/vmlinuz: FAILED open or read
md5sum: ./dists/intrepid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: No such file
On Sun, 2005-10-16 at 20:30 +0400, Andrew Gaydenko wrote:
Hi!
'diff' is text oriented tool. I there some kind of such tool
oriented to binary files/subtrees comparison?
Thanks!
Hi,
Check xdelta. Used by KDE for binary diffs etc.
Rumen
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Hello!
What is the reason of the lack of binary packages of openoffice and firefox
for ppc based machines?
Compiling oo takes a very long time, and on my machine it even ends with a
segmentation fault, so I couldn't install oo at all. In other ppc based
distroes I saw binary oo packages
On 30/05/2015 03:48, walt wrote:
gory details of many frustrating hours of fighting with one particular
gentoo package have been snipped to eliminate uncouth language
I think of a gentoo binary package (e.g. oracle-jdk-bin) as an ebuild
that fetches a file from somewhere, then merely unpacks
Alexander Skwar schreef:
Holly Bostick schrieb:
The other joke is similar, but goes like this
There are 10 kinds of people in the world
Those who understand binary, and those who don't
(1 is yes in binary language, which only consists of the letters 1
and 0, and is the basis of all computer
On Sun, 2005-05-29 at 18:01 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
I want to know what, if any, information about the package's build
environment is stored in the package binary and what, if any, of the
information is used by portage/emerge to decide when to use a binary
package.
I've got
Daniel Iliev danny at ilievnet.com writes:
Close. You can't use win32codecs on amd64 at all, unless you are
using a 32 bit binary program with them. Simple as that. So VLC
cannot use 32 bit binary codecs, unless someone made a vlc 32-bit
binary and put it in the tree.
Additionally
Sascha Lucas wrote:
Hi List,
Machine B:
- mount PGKDIR of machine A via nfs to PGKDIR on machine B
- added USE-flag samba
- emerge -uD --newuse --usepkg world
* merges binary samba
* does not merge anything else (no binary, no ebuild )
It would be nice if I understand
On Tue, March 13, 2012 9:45 pm, Walter Dnes wrote:
I've also found one
situation where I need to take one extra step to run without udev. I
have a laptop with a Radeon GPU that requires a binary blob for the
video driver. emerging radeon-ucode downloads a whole slew of binary
blobs
On 04/09/2014 06:51 PM, Jean-Christophe Bach wrote:
Hi list,
I was wondering how it works for binary packages when they are compiled:
Are all binary packages compiled on Gentoo infrastructure after a source
upload from the maintainer, or are there any binary packages compiled
On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 00:46:58 +0100, Ashley Dixon wrote:
> > 1. find out if a package is binary before you install it (e.g. where
> > on app-arch/rar does it say it's a binary package)
>
> RAR is an unusual case, with both the "mirror" and "bindist" flags
On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 4:06 AM Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
> As Andreas mentioned, the LICENSE setting is probably a more reliable way
> of excluding such packages. By only allowing open source licences you
> prevent the installation of proprietary binary packages. You can still
> in
On Thu, June 16, 2005 10:20 pm, Mark Knecht said:
Binary packages are not compiled by Gentoo, so that information may not
be easy to come by.
Oh!! I had no idea that was the case. I always assumed that this was
done by you guys for a few specific packages. If they come from
elsewhere
On Thu, 10 May 2007 22:36:41 +0200, Florian Philipp wrote:
Maybe I should formulate another question: Where is the big difference
between a binary ebuild and a binary rpm / deb and why is it so hard to
convert them?
The only real difference is the packaging method. The extra information
On Fri, 11 May 2007 13:25:46 +0300, Nistor Andrei wrote:
That won't work, emerge can only work with ebuilds or portage binary
packages. You can either write your own ebuild to install the binary,
which is pretty straightforward, or simply unpack it to /.
Portage binary packages aren't
On 6/1/06, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
I use gentoo on small industrial-pc's, and strip out a lot of stuff that
just takes up space, such as /usr/portage.
Depending on how much free space you have available, you could send a
copy of the portage tree along with the binary
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:56:45 +0300, Adrian Chelar wrote:
Gentoo linux work on powerpc?
Sure does, I'm running it on an iBook. There's a PPC installation handbook
and a gentoo-ppc mailing list.
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K: (n., adj.) a binary thousand, which isn't a decimal thousand or even
really
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 10:40:49 -0400, Eric S. Johansson wrote:
what would be the best way for the four other machines to access the
binary packages? NFS? File copy?
I have $PKGDIR (in make.conf) set to an NFS share, so all machines can
download binary packages from the same directory
Can someone point me to a binary amd64 multilib build of gcc 4.3.4 (same
as the amd64 install CD)? Or create one with quickpkg for me.
I am finding it impossible to get gcc to build on a diskless system with
an nfs root. All other packages build ok - just not gcc (4.2, 4.3, 4.4)
- Ive replaced
speaker, but:
binarily?
in binary?
If in doubt, leave it out:
in a binary manner
on a binary level
Bitwise.
Or, in this case, a block copy.
Stroller.
I was just informed by firefox on one of my gentoo machines that firefox
has updated, I need to restart.
I no longer find an option to disable automatic update. Is there no hope?
And do I have to go through another 18 hour firefox emerge to get rid of
their "update"? Or is th
How to make net-misc/asterisk-16.30.1 into binary package so I can install in
on future gentoo boxes.
I think asterisk ver. 16 (still in portage) is the last one still compatible with
sip/iax code all future versions starting with ver.18 are converting sip =>
pjsip
that is not compati
I've just attached build.log again.
Thanks
build.log
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=
# emerge -s portage
Performing Global Updates: /usr/portage/profiles/updates/3Q-2002
(Could take a couple of minutes if you have a lot of binary packages.)
.='update pass' *='binary update' @='/var/db move'
s='/var/db SLOT move' S='binary SLOT move' p='update
/etc/portage/package
On Wednesday 26 October 2005 01:37, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
=app-office/openoffice-bin-2.0.0
Binary package, nothing to compile, no way to fix broken binaries.
=dev-java/sun-jdk-1.5.0.05
Binary package.
=kde-base/kdelibs-3.3.2-r9
It's installed, but no longer in the tree. Therefor to fix any
Holly Bostick schrieb:
Dale schreef:
he's trying to say computers can't count.
No, I'm not.
The other joke is similar, but goes like this
There are 10 kinds of people in the world
Those who understand binary, and those who don't
(1 is yes in binary language, which only consists
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 16:01 +0100, Uwe Klosa wrote:
Did you import your settings from an older OO version? I had that issue with
the binary version upgrading from 1.x. So I did a clean
install with the source code version.
Uwe
What do you mean import your settings from an older OO
Joseph wrote:
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 16:01 +0100, Uwe Klosa wrote:
Did you import your settings from an older OO version? I had that issue with the binary version upgrading from 1.x. So I did a clean
install with the source code version.
Uwe
What do you mean import your settings
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 04:37:48 + (UTC)
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Daniel Iliev danny at ilievnet.com writes:
Close. You can't use win32codecs on amd64 at all, unless you are
using a 32 bit binary program with them. Simple as that. So VLC
cannot use 32 bit binary codecs, unless
Stefán István wrote:
Hello!
What is the reason of the lack of binary packages of openoffice and firefox
for ppc based machines?
Compiling oo takes a very long time, and on my machine it even ends with a
segmentation fault, so I couldn't install oo at all. In other ppc based
distroes I saw
, mplayer etc.)
Machine B:
- mount PGKDIR of machine A via nfs to PGKDIR on machine B
- added USE-flag samba
- emerge -uD --newuse --usepkg world
* merges binary samba
* does not merge anything else (no binary, no ebuild )
It would be nice if I understand why emerge won't remerge binary
Machine B:
- mount PGKDIR of machine A via nfs to PGKDIR on machine B
- added USE-flag samba
- emerge -uD --newuse --usepkg world
* merges binary samba
* does not merge anything else (no binary, no ebuild )
It would be nice if I understand why emerge won't remerge binary packages
There is no meta-info AFAIK in a binary .tar.gz, so portage does NOT
know what CFLAGS, or USE flags it is built with.
Go ahead, use quickpkg to make a binary tarball of any package on your
system, then look tat the tarball. There is nothing to indicate USE or
CFLAGS.
If you want to install
Alexander Puchmayr wrote:
Well, I think I got the conecpt behind meta packages. My question was why do
I get a different content of the VIDEO_CARDS-variable when I specify -k
in emerge or not???
You can't change the USE flags a binary package was built with. Binary
packages are built
I run one program which needs to be started as a particular user
whenever the system comes up, but there is no ebuild. Is this the
Gentoo way?
# cat /etc/init.d/rc.local
#!/sbin/runscript
start() {
su user
/path/to/program/binary
}
Yes, or you could use
start() {
su - user -c
On 08/13/2009 02:53 AM, Grant wrote:
Hmmm, it didn't come back up with the server. I have this in
/etc/init.d/rc.local:
#!/sbin/runscript
depend() {
}
start() {
su - user -c /path/to/binary
}
stop() {
}
restart() {
}
I had to start it like I normally do instead:
# su - user
$ /path/to/binary
Now for the real build log (oops)
vmware-modules-1.0.0.15-r2.ebuild
Description: Binary data
Arghhh to early in the morining here in Toronto. This is the build.log
build.log
Description: Binary data
Please ignore!
There were an older binary somewhere in my PATHs.
Helmut.
I'm assuming it's a genkernel bug.
I've masked the latest ~arch version and it worked.
, I
have to manually quickpkg every one of them.
Is there a way to tell emerge to do this on its own? That is, create
binary packages of every package that it is replacing?
Isn't it --buildpkg?
Unfortunately, no. --buildpkg only builds binary packages after they've
been replaced already. I
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
Yes, that was me. I found that something had marked /var/log/messages as
a binary file. There's nothing in it that can't be read, no mysterious
characters or anything; it's just marked as binary. All you have to do
On Tuesday 17 February 2015 18:52:07 Rich Freeman wrote:
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Peter Humphrey
pe...@prh.myzen.co.uk wrote:
Yes, that was me. I found that something had marked
/var/log/messages as a binary file. There's nothing in it that
can't be read, no mysterious characters
I think autofs will fit that type of solution
And why just don't put if in fstab and forget about it?
hinking maybe packages on the stage3 CD are
> > binaries, but I still have /usr/bin/gpg in that file, with the same md5
> > as is really in /usr/bin/gpg. I thought gentoo distributed sources ...
> > well, it does - the emerge compiled up a storm. But the binary is as
&
t [v (clojure.string/split s #"/")]
(flatten
(if (< (count v) 2)
[(clojure.string/split (get v 0) #"\.") "32"]
[(clojure.string/split (get v 0) #"\.") (get v 1)]
(defn convert-str-to-binary-str [s]
(clojure.s
I find no clue why the binary packages on my server aren't being picked
up. The --debug option (and --verbose, naturally) has no additional
information. Running the --getbinpkgonly stops immediately, saying 0
packages are selected.
I found one problem: on my server, my apache log file had
Matthias Hanft wrote:
>
> Meanwhile I have found out that the culprit is "virtual/jdk".
No, the “culprit” is that you do not use the binary package openjdk
and you did apparently in the case of icedtea.
Icedtea and openjdk both have cups as a USE-flag, but this influences
On Sat, 2023-04-15 at 18:57 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> So I want to make a binary of the current dev-lang/php-7.4.33-r2 just
> in case in the near future they will pull out the old version out of
> the portage.
>
> Will making binary allow me to install dev-lan
What is the intended logic of buildsyspkg? I assumed that it would build
binary packages for all 'system' packages, ie those which would be in a
'stage-2' tarball, but it seems a little arbitrary. For example, it
builds binary packages for portage but not for python, for baselayout
but not openrc
Hi All,
I have an rpm binary which looks like this on a RH
machine: /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/packageXXX.el5.i386.rpm
How can I use this on a gentoo machine (I understand that it won't be
maintained by portage).
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Regards,
Mick
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Mick schrieb:
Hi All,
I have an rpm binary which looks like this on a RH
machine: /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/packageXXX.el5.i386.rpm
How can I use this on a gentoo machine (I understand that it won't be
maintained by portage).
Just emerge yum.
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On Sunday 29 May 2005 04:38 pm, Mark Shields [EMAIL PROTECTED]
top-posted, and I had to fix it:
On 5/29/05, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since I'm on a slowish system, I'm thinking of building and using
binary packges through emerge. However, I'd like to know what
This is a shame, for sure. Being able to build binary packages with
portage, that can include such meta-information, would be a huge asset
to using gentoo as a meta-distribution, as it is so often claimed to
be.
On 5/30/05, Ow Mun Heng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, 2005-05-29 at 18:01 -0500
Hi,
Where can I download the gentoo binary for Ximian Evolution 2 (x86
architecture)? I just can't seem to remember the name of the site.
Thanks,
Hareesh
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On Sunday 19 June 2005 18:28, Hareesh Nagarajan wrote:
Where can I download the gentoo binary for Ximian Evolution 2 (x86
architecture)? I just can't seem to remember the name of the site.
http://chinstrap.alternating.net/
Don't know if it has evolution 2 though.
--
Mike Williams
Hi!
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:30:48 +0400 Andrew Gaydenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
'diff' is text oriented tool. I there some kind of such tool
oriented to binary files/subtrees comparison?
cmp
Cheers,
Renat
--
Probleme kann man niemals mit derselben Denkweise loesen,
durch die sie entstanden
On Mon, Oct 17, 2005 at 09:01:35PM +0930, Shawn Haggett wrote:
'diff' is text oriented tool. I there some kind of such tool
oriented to binary files/subtrees comparison?
Thanks!
'od | diff'
'cmp'
Rasmus
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snip
How did you switch to a binary version? How did you do that? I didn't
know
you could use emerge and not compile it. Unless, of course, you aren't
using
emerge...
emerge mozilla-firefox-bin will emerge the binary version of firefox
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Uwe Thiem wrote:
Problem is it tells me that at least for one binary no ebuild exists but it
doesn't tell me which binary. Bummer! How do I find out?
Hmmm, I'd try something like this:
for i in /usr/bin/*; do
equery b $i /dev/null || echo $i
done
pgpYggHcXbK7U.pgp
Description: PGP
I just noticed a new (maybe?) USE flag for kde called kdedeltas
The description says [-] kdexdeltas - Makes kde ebuilds download
binary diffs rather than entire new tarballs for every new release
Can someone expand on this: is it a diff against the final stage1 binary
(I doubt
Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
I was under the impression my video card was too old for the binary driver.
It's built into the motherboard but reports as
ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL rev 39
does anybody know if the binary would help?
++ kevin
You want VIDEO_CARDS=mach64. Be warned that this driver
=== On Wed, 08/12, Neil Bothwick wrote: ===
start() {
su - user -c /path/to/program/binary
}
===
That works as long as the binary forks and runs as a daemon. If not,
you will probably have to use the start-stop-daemon helper program.
-- Keith Dart
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--
Keith Dart
On Tuesday 23 March 2010 16:04:04 Mick wrote:
Do you know why it behaves differently with -no-
oosplash, when the binary installation does not seem to be bothered either
way?
It seems the binary package doesn't install the optional oosplash.bin program.
The code responsible for the differing
I wish to build a binary package of glibc-2.14.1-r3. I don't want to
actually install it on my system. Just build a tbz2 for it to use on
another system. Is there a way to do that? Portage aborts when
emerging an older glibc and won't let you proceed, so I can't just
install it normally
Neil Bothwick writes:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 13:25:38 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
I wish to build a binary package of glibc-2.14.1-r3. I don't want to
actually install it on my system. Just build a tbz2 for it to use on
another system. Is there a way to do that?
emerge -B atom
A recent update world leads to a notice that
/etc/udev/hwdb.bin needs to be updated
When I tried cfg-update I received a waring asking
who/what updated a binary file and suggested caution.
Is there any danger in updating the file?
Since it is binary would I be better off using a simple
etc
Since there aren't any uclibc-based user-distros I'm aware of, I
assume that there are incompatabilities. My first guess would be
proprietary binary stuff is where the breakage occurs, e.g...
- binary blobs for video drivers
- Shockwave Flash (which I unfortunately need)
- etc
this on its own? That is, create
binary packages of every package that it is replacing?
Hi All,
I have a couple of binary packages in a box under /usr/portage/packages that I
no longer need. How can I selectively remove one or some of them only?
qpkg -c www-client/chromium
or
eclean packages
nukes the lot.
--
Regards,
Mick
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On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 10:55:39 +, Mick wrote:
I have a couple of binary packages in a box under /usr/portage/packages
that I no longer need. How can I selectively remove one or some of
them only?
rm
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What do you call a dead bee? - A was.
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Hi list,
I was wondering how it works for binary packages when they are compiled:
Are all binary packages compiled on Gentoo infrastructure after a source
upload from the maintainer, or are there any binary packages compiled on
maintainers computers and then uploaded on Gentoo infra
On Saturday 27 December 2014 13:10:17 Helmut Jarausch wrote:
I think this was a long standig bug. Version 3.6.2 seems to have fixed
this.
Ah. Well I'm still on 3.4.8.
Mick, if you don't hear anything from me soonish, it will be safe to remove
the binary stuff using the method I mentioned
n't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
z1.txt.gz
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z2.txt.gz
Description: Binary data
> On 31 Aug 2017, at 13:55, Francesco Turco <ftu...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> I just set BINPKG_COMPRESS="xz" in /etc/portage/make.conf in order to
> compress binary packages with the xz algorithm. It seems to work, but
> binary packages filenames still
Does anyone have a binary package for app-backup/amanda-3.4.5 he could
share?
I have to (test the) downgrade because of issues with 3.5.1, and my
binary package doesn't install anymore (perl now upgraded etc)
and the latest amanda doesn't talk to a legacy client which I can't
upgrade at all
compiled up a storm. But the binary is as
delivered.
On 07/15/20 07:01, Andreas Fink wrote:
...
Searching for -bin does not help to find binary only packages. Two more
examples, which are binary only:
zoom, skypeforlinux
Searching for -bin mostly (if not always) implies that there would be a
possibility to compile it from source.
In my
On 9/6/21 3:48 PM, n952162 wrote:
On 4/3/21 10:03 PM, n952162 wrote:
I find no clue why the binary packages on my server aren't being picked
up. The --debug option (and --verbose, naturally) has no additional
information. Running the --getbinpkgonly stops immediately, saying 0
packages
php-7.4 will be getting obsolete in the future and converting my code to php-8
might not be easy.
So I want to make a binary of the current dev-lang/php-7.4.33-r2 just in case
in the near future they will pull out the old version out of the portage.
Will making binary allow me to install dev
Hi,
while doing an emerge --update --deep world
I get the error message
!!! Multiple versions within a single package slot have been
!!! pulled into the dependency graph:
dev-java/java-config:2
('ebuild', '/', 'dev-java/java-config-2.0.33-r1', 'merge') pulled in by
('binary', '/', 'dev
On Mon, 2005-05-30 at 10:13 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
On 5/30/05, Ow Mun Heng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think those binary packages
propagate into /var/db as well. (IF they do, I think they might not
reflect the actual USE flags used to built
On Thursday 10 May 2007 22:36:41 Florian Philipp wrote:
Maybe I should formulate another question: Where is the big difference
between a binary ebuild and a binary rpm / deb and why is it so hard to
convert them?
Gentoo is a source based distro. Usually in Gentoo binary packages are placed
On Thursday 16 March 2006 00:23, Nick Rout wrote:
Is there a set of binary packages available on CD for 32 bit x86 of any
description. The list on the release page seems to be.
amd64
ppc (ppc)
ppc (g4)
ppc (64 bit - 32bit userland)
ppc (64 bit - 64bit userland)
sparc64
same
kedd 24 október 2006 13.59 dátummal Dale ezt írta:
Stefán István wrote:
Hello!
What is the reason of the lack of binary packages of openoffice and
firefox
for ppc based machines?
Compiling oo takes a very long time, and on my machine it even ends with a
segmentation fault, so I
On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 09:49 -0700, Wade Brown wrote:
In this specific case, Broken means Binary Package. Binary
packages are distributed with all kinds of libraries linked to so that
they can minimize the amount of binary packages they need to maintain
(e.g. they don't need an eclipse-gnome
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