Hi,

My answers inlined...

Cheers,

Le 08/06/2017 à 16:16, cryptearth a écrit :
> Hey Rapael,
> 
> I know about this as Tellier told me this once the first time I reported 
> issues when first tried to build beta5. So this is what I as a hobbiest don't 
> understand: if the commit that is made public at least passed all tests once 
> - why it's failing so differently on my different build setups? Java 
> shouldn't behave like this. And as I quickly looked into the source-files 
> causing the issues and couldn't spot any lines that maybe responsible for 
> this I couldn't figure out what went wrong (at least I'm able to read and 
> understand a StackTrace).

ByteCode runs everywhere, true.

However, you still depend on the system for fileSystem (resource names),
what your operating system allows (file locks, etc...), encoding, etc...

That is some kind of concerns that should be enforced in your code...

> I expected issues related to Docker as I don't have it installed, but not the 
> one I encountered.
> 
> Maybe some wants to know: the tests fail pretty hard on Windows for the 
> maildir target as it seems the tests try to cteate files or folders wich 
> aren't allowed on NTFS/Windows according to IOException: syntax error for 
> filename.
Note that maildir in James is documented as not supported for Windows.

> Wouldn't any problem when using database as storage - but could lead to 
> unexpected failures during runtime.

True, this can create issues at run-time.

That being said, it's an open source project. Contributions are welcome
to improve cross plateform situation.

> 
> Matt
> 
> ---- Raphael OUAZANA schrieb ----
> 
>> Hey Matt,
>>
>> Thank you for your interest in this project.
>>
>> You seem to have some issues building James. That's something that can 
>> happen because with have some flaky tests, and not enough time to solve 
>> them all.
>> But you should now that each time we are making a commit, all the tests 
>> do pass at least one time (and generally multiple times in practice), so 
>> we are pretty confident with the quality on the commits we merge.
>>
>> If you have so much issues building James, please consider to build it 
>> without tests. It will take less than 2 minutes and you will quickly 
>> have the binaries you are looking for.
>>
>> To do this, just add -DskipTests=true to your current maven options.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Raphaël Ouazana.
>>
>> Le 2017-06-08 01:07, cryptearth a écrit :
>>> Hey there,
>>>
>>> sorry for me to taking so long to reply - but it happend again: as I
>>> was preparing to set up some VMs for testing - I failed again the
>>> cursed game of luck to download the working commit and got the RC2 you
>>> just pushed out. As I didn't knew it the time I just lazyly started
>>> another try on my root server it surprisingly went very well. At least
>>> until the test wich starts up RMI - wich failed cause the ports were
>>> already in use by the running beta6 instance. So I shut down the
>>> running instance - re-tried it - and it got a success. As there is no
>>> docker installed on my root I got few docker related issues, but it
>>> seems these failed tests didn't mattered. After re-running it with
>>> -Pwith-assembly I also got the zip/tar.gz - wich I'm currently running
>>> now and over wich this mail is sent.
>>>
>>> As I tried to set up a VM to match my servers setup - but it still
>>> fail at apache-james-mailbox-hbase
>>> I re-run maven with -X and -e, but still didn't get more than this:
>>>
>>> Tests run: 1, Failures: 0, Errors: 1, Skipped: 0, Time elapsed: 1.217
>>> sec <<< FAILURE! - in
>>> org.apache.james.mailbox.hbase.mail.HBaseMailboxMessageMapperTest
>>> testMessageMapperScenario(org.apache.james.mailbox.hbase.mail.HBaseMailboxMessageMapperTest)
>>> Time elapsed: 0.003 sec  <<< ERROR!
>>> java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError
>>>         at
>>> org.apache.james.mailbox.hbase.mail.HBaseMailboxMessageMapperTest.<clinit>(HBaseMailboxMessageMapperTest.java:69)
>>>
>>> It looks like there is the rest of the stacktrace missing - but I
>>> can't find it anywhere.
>>> Line 69 is this one here:
>>>
>>> public static final HBaseClusterSingleton CLUSTER =
>>> HBaseClusterSingleton.build();
>>>
>>> Maybe this helps - even if I still can't understand WHY this happens,
>>> as it went fine on the same setup on my root. Can't tell any
>>> difference: same maven, same jdk, same OS and patch-level. Nothing
>>> wich could cause this fail according to the source as there is nothing
>>> system-level called, at least nothing I can spot on first look.
>>>
>>>
>>> If anyone want a compiled RC2 buld (as long as the licence permits me
>>> to offer this) can ask me for a link to download it from my server. Be
>>> aware: it's 1.1GB in size.
>>>
>>>
>>> Any way - so long - Matt
>>>
>>> Am 05.06.2017 um 11:57 schrieb Benoit Tellier:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> First thanks for the feedback, it is rather interesting.
>>>>
>>>>> So, to start this of with a meme: One does not simply - compile 
>>>>> Apache
>>>> James from source.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>>> Call me stupid
>>>> I would never. We all have different backgrounds, thus we don't 
>>>> consider
>>>> the same things easy.
>>>>
>>>> About the 3 fails that you encountered:
>>>>
>>>>   - apache-james-mailbox-hbase : I already saw our Continuous 
>>>> Integration
>>>> system fail there. As we don't use this part of the project, we 
>>>> schedule
>>>> a new build. As it is a very rare event, it doesn't matter much. The
>>>> question would then be: do you always observe it?
>>>>   - Concerning windows:
>>>>
>>>> As far as I am aware of it, all of the recent active James 
>>>> contributors
>>>> are using Linux. I personally use ArchLinux, some others prefer Debian
>>>> and Ubuntu. We don't have a license for Windows, thus we can not
>>>> guaranty we do not introduce bugs regarding it.
>>>>
>>>> As it is a free project, anyone can propose patches, and for instance
>>>> patches for making the test suite run well on windows.
>>>>
>>>> Another remark on cross-system: as we are aware of the issues, we
>>>> provides docker container, continuously delivered, fully tested on 
>>>> each
>>>> merge. That way one can run James in a reliable environment, whatever
>>>> the system it is running on.
>>>>
>>>> For your information:
>>>>   - https://docs.docker.com/
>>>>   - https://github.com/apache/james-project/tree/master/dockerfiles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That being said, I'm sorry to tell you your mail is hardly readable, 
>>>> and
>>>> I can not extract interesting information out of it.
>>>>
>>>> You did a great work testing different environments, and I should 
>>>> thank
>>>> you for this.
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't you mind sending us, for each bug you encountered:
>>>>   - The Junit test that failed
>>>>   - The explanation JUnit is giving
>>>>   - The environment (Maven version, Java version, OS, default 
>>>> encoding)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That would allow us to work in a rather more productive way.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> --
>>>> Tellier Benoit
>>>>
>>>> Software engineer dedicated to OpenPaaS at Linagora
>>>> PMC of the Apache JAMES project
>>>> VIE in Vietnam
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/AwesomePaaS
>>>> https://medium.com/linagora-engineering
>>>>
>>>> Le 05/06/2017 à 16:00, cryptearth a écrit :
>>>>> So, to start this of with a meme: One does not simply - compile 
>>>>> Apache
>>>>> James from source.
>>>>> Idk if and what I'm doin wrong here, but either its my hardware 
>>>>> screwing
>>>>> up everything I've learned about Java (would explain random crashes 
>>>>> in
>>>>> GTA5 tho) or I'm just to stupid to correctly setup the needed build
>>>>> environment to get a successfull build.
>>>>> But let me start from the beginning why I'm back after abandoning 
>>>>> this
>>>>> mail-list (still not used to this kind of public communication):
>>>>>
>>>>> So as I was successfull to compile one of the latest builds before 
>>>>> this
>>>>> project moved to Docker and have it running on my openSuSE-tumbleweed
>>>>> server since (and as smart as I am: deleted the built package - of
>>>>> course!) - I just looked up the main project page and noticed: oh, 
>>>>> it's
>>>>> out of beta - RC1 available for download. But as the page shows 
>>>>> "Docker"
>>>>> (sidenote: yea - I know it makes sense to "containerize" such code - 
>>>>> to
>>>>> run a Java code as root is not the smartest idea one can have) I said 
>>>>> to
>>>>> mysefl: "screw it - compile from source" - and off we go from "wonder 
>>>>> if
>>>>> it's still crap as last time I tried" to "what the F*?".
>>>>>
>>>>> So let me show the results first and then let me explain why I think 
>>>>> my
>>>>> hardware is broken:
>>>>>
>>>>> vm - opensuse tumbleweed - failed: apache-james-mailbox-hbase
>>>>> vm - debian 8.8.0 - failed: james-server-mailets
>>>>> host - win7 sp1 ulti x64 - failed: apache-james-mailbox-store
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't bother you with posting the logs - as it seems some wired
>>>>> random-ish but surprisingly re-produceable stuff going on here:
>>>>> As building james isn't more than compiling Java source into bytecode 
>>>>> -
>>>>> and as Java is supposed to be platform-independent - it should fail 
>>>>> on
>>>>> the exact same point on each different system - but it doesn't. 
>>>>> Unlike
>>>>> earlier tries where it "crashed" random on the same system - at least 
>>>>> no
>>>>> it's "crashing" on the same spot every time - but why and how? The 
>>>>> only
>>>>> difference are Linux vs Windows and openJDK8u131 vs Oracle 8u121 - 
>>>>> and
>>>>> as far as I know Java as a hobbiest dev this shouldn't happen. At 
>>>>> least
>>>>> the error should be the same accross differnt systems - no matter if 
>>>>> VM
>>>>> or real hardware.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, the error on windows seems to be some wired random-ish encoding
>>>>> issue, see the few lines of log as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> Failed tests:
>>>>>    DefaultTextExtractorTest.textTest:44 expected:<...e awesome text 
>>>>> text.[
>>>>> ]
>>>>> "> but was:<...e awesome text text.[
>>>>> ]
>>>>> ">
>>>>>
>>>>> I can only imagine there is something goin on with different
>>>>> line-endings as the build expecting only linux-style \n while my 
>>>>> windows
>>>>> using \r\n - confusing the equality check to fail (some more like 
>>>>> this
>>>>> if you try to bootstrap ant from source on windows - it fails cause
>>>>> windows doesn't support posixfileattributes - wich could checked and
>>>>> handled in a very easy way - but this should belong to the 
>>>>> ant-maillist).
>>>>>
>>>>> The other two on the linux-based systems are very strange:
>>>>>
>>>>> On the openSuSE (ok, to be honest - it's the distro I "grew up" with 
>>>>> -
>>>>> and strangely the only major distro that somehow no body seems to 
>>>>> like
>>>>> and therefore isn't really supported at all - just: WHY? cause its
>>>>> german?) it fails with java.lang.ExceptionInInitializerError for
>>>>> org.apache.james.mailbox.hbase.user.HBaseSubscriptionMapperTest.<clinit>
>>>>> followed by java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize 
>>>>> class
>>>>> org.apache.james.mailbox.hbase.user.HBaseSubscriptionMapperTest
>>>>>
>>>>> On the debian (wich went way better and further than the other two) 
>>>>> it
>>>>> fails with this crap:
>>>>>
>>>>> Failed tests:
>>>>> RemoteDeliveryTest.remoteDeliveryShouldSplitMailsByServerWhenNoGateway:123
>>>>> Expecting:
>>>>>   <[FakeMail{msg=null, recipients=[ot...@james.apache.org,
>>>>> a...@james.apache.org], name=mail_name-to-james.apache.org, 
>>>>> sender=null,
>>>>> state=null, errorMessage=null, lastUpdated=null, attributes={}, 
>>>>> size=0,
>>>>> remoteAddr=127.0.0.1}, FakeMail{msg=null,
>>>>> recipients=[a...@james2.apache.org], 
>>>>> name=mail_name-to-james2.apache.org,
>>>>> sender=null, state=null, errorMessage=null, lastUpdated=null,
>>>>> attributes={}, size=0, remoteAddr=127.0.0.1}]>
>>>>> to contain only:
>>>>>   <[FakeMail{msg=null, recipients=[a...@james.apache.org,
>>>>> ot...@james.apache.org], name=mail_name-to-james.apache.org,
>>>>> sender=null, state=null, errorMessage=null, lastUpdated=null,
>>>>> attributes={}, size=0, remoteAddr=127.0.0.1}, FakeMail{msg=null,
>>>>> recipients=[a...@james2.apache.org], 
>>>>> name=mail_name-to-james2.apache.org,
>>>>> sender=null, state=null, errorMessage=null, lastUpdated=null,
>>>>> attributes={}, size=0, remoteAddr=127.0.0.1}]>
>>>>> elements not found:
>>>>>   <[FakeMail{msg=null, recipients=[a...@james.apache.org,
>>>>> ot...@james.apache.org], name=mail_name-to-james.apache.org,
>>>>> sender=null, state=null, errorMessage=null, lastUpdated=null,
>>>>> attributes={}, size=0, remoteAddr=127.0.0.1}]>
>>>>> and elements not expected:
>>>>>   <[FakeMail{msg=null, recipients=[ot...@james.apache.org,
>>>>> a...@james.apache.org], name=mail_name-to-james.apache.org, 
>>>>> sender=null,
>>>>> state=null, errorMessage=null, lastUpdated=null, attributes={}, 
>>>>> size=0,
>>>>> remoteAddr=127.0.0.1}]>
>>>>>
>>>>> Just another encoding-issue based on non-standard non-EN/US setup 
>>>>> (all
>>>>> systems share locale de-de)? This seems to be another issue based on
>>>>> wrong String comparison.
>>>>>
>>>>> So - to complete this kinda sarcastic-ish mail with a few final 
>>>>> words:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.) Does anyone of you have any clue why the same source behave so
>>>>> differently on different systems? This is somehow against anything 
>>>>> else
>>>>> I know about Javas famous "write once - run everywhere".
>>>>> 2.) Could anybody please be so kind to just get a me quick overview
>>>>> about how to correctly setup a working build environment to get the
>>>>> current source built successfully?
>>>>>
>>>>> Call me stupid - or just naiv cause I don'T know anything about 
>>>>> modern
>>>>> development on projects this size - but as a Windows-98 kid from 
>>>>> times
>>>>> where Google didn't existed yet and just got few low-ish games by 
>>>>> burned
>>>>> CDs from school friends (online DRM wasn't a thing back then) who is
>>>>> just used to "double-click on setup/install and hit next until it 
>>>>> says
>>>>> fin" - there is no clue why this to-be-simple-magic-box called "PC"
>>>>> under my desk behaves this way. It's just a big calculator - and I
>>>>> expect it to output 2 if I enter 1+1. Maybe someone can explain ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don'T really expect any serious response/reply - nor to have any
>>>>> changes in the source - but as Benoit Tellier (btw: big shout outs to
>>>>> him) once told me: each commit gets auto-compiled and only passed 
>>>>> ones
>>>>> even released to public - so it has to be some sort of error on my 
>>>>> site.
>>>>>
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