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Australian Broadcasting Corp.
AM New hour transcript
Thursday, September  16, 1999  8:23  a.m.

Tension in Jakarta 

COMPERE: East Timor's anti-independence militia have now been seen on the 
streets of Jakarta, threatening pro-independence East Timorese and foreign 
journalists. There were scenes which seemed quite out of place in the 
Indonesian capital, as Geoff Thompson reports from Jakarta.

GEOFF THOMPSON: An angry young man in a pro-autonomy T-shirt denounces Xanana 
Gusmao.

Nearby, another man stands wearing a T-shirt bearing the name of Mahidi, one 
of East Timor's notorious anti-independence militias - red berets and army 
fatigues. And foreign journalists are warned to leave.

These pro-autonomy protesters then break into a run to chase what they claim 
are pro-independence provocateurs.

It looks and sounds like Dili, but it's in the heart of Jakarta, a city in 
which small, angry protests with different angry agendas are becoming 
frequent if not well attended.

The Indonesian media is discussing nationalism, jingoism and anti-Australian 
sentiment. In its latest bulletin to Australian citizens in Indonesia, the 
Australian Embassy in Jakarta says that it, the consulate in Bali, and a 
number of Australian businesses have received threatening telephone calls, 
including bomb threats.

But is anti-foreigner sentiment, and in particular anti-Australian sentiment, 
representative of Indonesian public opinion at this sensitive time? That is 
the question that cannot yet be answered. What we do know is that this 
question is about to be sorely tested when thousands of Australian troops 
lead the UN's peacekeeping force into East Timor to tackle the violence by 
militia who have the support of the Indonesian military which still remains 
in the territory.

Indeed the UN already knows very well that several militia commanders are 
serving officers in the Indonesian military, and so it's hard to imagine just 
how the peace-enforcers will avoid some sort of conflict with the Indonesian 
military.

Political analyst Soedjati Djiwandono thinks that the complete withdrawal of 
the Indonesian military is the only real answer.

SOEDJATI DJIWANDONO: Well, I hope that the first thing the UN peacekeeping 
forces - what they would do first is to disarm these people - would disarm 
the people of both groups, both the pro-integration and pro-independence East 
Timorese. Without disarming them, yes the possibility is real that somebody 
might shoot at you, and you would retaliate, and there will be a conflict, 
and you have to deal with the Indonesian military.

GEOFF THOMPSON: I think the world wants peacekeeping troops in East Timor. 
But now that that is a reality, the questions have to be in turn to how it 
will work in practice while the Indonesian military remains in East Timor.

SOEDJATI DJIWANDONO: That's why in the first place I would like to see the 
Indonesian military withdrawn totally from East Timor.

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