Actually poisonous toads! And yes, probably a poorly designed cistern but I have seen frogs come out of toilets by going down the roof pipes and coming up drains as well. PT
________________________________ From: Ode Coyote <odecoy...@windstream.net> To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, November 7, 2012 8:56:46 AM Subject: Re: CS>Storing water Old wives ..no tail. "Gotta have lizards in the well." Salamanders in the cistern, actually [They can't live in bad water ] ..poorly designed cistern? ode At 05:14 AM 11/6/2012 -0800, you wrote: Hi Ode, >This is interesting and useful information. I lived with cisterns and while I >would bathe in the water I wouldn't drink it. Every time I did I got sick. >Then the cistern was cleaned and you wouldn't believe what they shoveled out >at >the bottom. No wonder I got sick. Live and dead critters! >Just my experience. >PT > > >From: Ode Coyote <odecoy...@windstream.net> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Sent: Tue, November 6, 2012 8:03:49 AM >Subject: Re: CS>Storing water > >Experiments in collecting rain water off a tin roof: >Let it rain a while to wash the roof and the air....the water came up quite >pure >at around 2 uS conductivity or less. >Probably not uniformly sterile, but cisterns have been used for potable water >for centuries. [usually made of concrete or masonry where lime might sterilize >the water] > > Back in the day: I would tie a very large tarp by the corners to tree > trunks, >cut a hole in the central sag to fill an upended open ended [with screen wire >to >keep out the skeeters], 275 gallon drum...spigot and hose just off the bottom. >..nice dry spot to watch it rain from and LOTS of water, very fast, even >during >a light rain. [but with everything smaller than screen that was on the trees >in >it ] > >Inexpensive water filter [used for years and years to filter rain water caught >on the old bus roof channeled into hose line by gutters on the sides] >10 feet of 4" PVC pipe and end caps drilled and tapped to take 1/2" pipe >thread >hose fittings , polyester pillow stuffing and a few pounds of activated >charcoal. > >Interesting process learned last night: >A clear water bottle left in full sun with Aluminum foil on one side to >reflect >concentrated sunlight back into the bottle [parabolic mirror] will sterilize >the water in about 6 hours. > Heat?.... and concentrated UV light. >UV lights are often installed along well to home water lines. > > Looking into water purification kits at REI... > >Some had powdered Chlorine to kill everything..and..H2O2 to drive off the >Chlorine. >ie: Add H202 to tap water and wind up with water with no sterilant in it. > > > >-Does hydrogen peroxide remove chlorine? Hydrogen peroxide can be used for >dechlorination, in other words to remove residual chlorine. Residual chlorine >forms corrosive acids when it is oxidised by air or condenses in process >systems. When chlorine reacts with hydrogen peroxide, the hydrogen peroxide >falls apart into water and oxygen. Chlorine gas hydrolyses into hypochlorous >acid (HOCl), which subsequently ionises into hypochlorite ions (OCl-). >Cl2 + H2O à HOCl + HCl à H2O + OCl- > >After that, hydrogen peroxide reacts with the hypochlorite: > >OCl- + H2O2 à Cl- + H2O + O2 > >The reaction between hydrogen peroxide and hypochlorite takes place very >quickly. Other organic and inorganic substances cannot react with >hypochlorite. > > >Lots of info: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach#Color_safe_bleach > > > > > > > >Boiling for water sterilization > >Boiling can be used as a method of water disinfection but is only advocated as >an emergency water treatment method, or as a method of portable water >purification in rural or wilderness settings without access to a potable water >infrastructure. Bringing water to the boil is effective in killing or >inactivating most bacteria, viruses and pathogens. Boiling is the most certain >way of killing nearly all microorganisms. According to the Wilderness Medical >Society[1], water temperatures above 160°F (70°C) kill all pathogens within 30 >minutes and above 185°F (85°C) within a few minutes. So in the time it takes >for >the water to reach the boiling point (212°F or 100°C) from 160°F (70°C), all >pathogens will be killed, even at high altitude. To be extra safe, let the >water >boil rapidly for one minute, especially at higher altitudes since water boils >at >a lower temperature.[1] > > > >Silver, copper and zinc are all metals that will kill micro-organisms at very >low concentrations. >Hydronium [H3], an acidic byproduct of electrolysis will sterilize water at >low >concentrations as well..and..it neutralizes after a while as it finds the >counterpart also produced, or both bubble off. > Warm up that water in the sun to help de-gass it. >Got a car battery, [solar panel? Bicycle with old style generator?] some old >galvanized pipe or copper wire and some jumper cables ? > >Ode > >Ode > > > > > > > > > > > > >
