I agree, but it can be hard to be completely open about things due to the business rules we have to adhere too.
What I would say in this case, is being as this studio is in EMEA- Europe, then they should try and contact me, or the Autodesk rep (not the reseller), instead of filling in the blanks themselves. G From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Rob Wuijster Sent: 13 September 2012 09:49 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: In case you missed it.. To put out a more positive comment... I'm pretty happy with my SI2013SP1 and Arnold combo. I still see a steady stream of really nice plugins, ICE tools and such pass me by on the forums. It's never been this good before version 7 or so. All this doom and gloom talk isn't helping, and at some point will spiral into a self-fulfilling prophecy. I visited one of the few SI places in Amsterdam lately, and the talk was quickly on "AD is about to kill off SI". All this mumbling makes people very twitchy. We're all very passionate about our software. And when I'm seeing great render engines and tools pop up for Softimage again and again, I still see a nice future for Softimage. Maybe AD can finally be a little less cryptic on the whole thing, and maybe Chris can give us some small spoilers on what's ahead for SI2014. So we can all go back to doing the thing we love, creating great looking images with our beloved particle app. ;-) peace? Rob \/-------------\/----------------\/ On 13-9-2012 10:12, Jules Stevenson wrote: I completely agree with this Marc. There is so much negative sentiment in this thread that I'd be surprised if AD is still listening. Some of the folks there are probably pretty proud to work for them and have a genuine interest in Soft, so this thread is painful reading. I don't agree with the marketing of soft at all, but I do still 'evangelize' the product, and will continue to do so until there is something which for us as a studio works better (we jumped from Maya to Soft about 5 years ago and haven't looked back since). If AD were to sink this beautiful ship then so be it. Until that point for the good of my sanity, my crew and my studio, I will continue to push the usage of Softimage, and ignore a small graphic that is very hard to find (I'm on the marketing lists for Max, Maya and Soft, and pretty much every other bit of AD spam plus my reseller) and never personally received or saw it. There is little point in begrudging the AD employees that are doing what they can do with what resources they have to keep soft out there - these are the guys that are 'on our side'. Stating that the software is EOL is also massively counter-productive, it's a lovely juicy soundbite to throw around the office. Shit sticks, even if it's unfounded. The proof of commitment (or not) will be seen in the next release. Cheers, Jules On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Marc Brinkley <marc.brink...@microsoft.com<mailto:marc.brink...@microsoft.com>> wrote: So um, i just thinking that if I were ADSK and was listening to this conversation My existing customers of the software believe the software is EOL My existing customers of the software are telling other customers not to bother instead of evangelizing the software. My customers decide not to believe me when i say we are continuing to develop the software even when several members of team directly say it. If I were in their shoes, what do you suppose I would be thinking. Seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me. Not directed to anyone specifically. But if we dont believe they why should they. All things will end eventually, sure, and I am tried of fighting an up hill battle, sure. But until I get a letter specifically stating EOL and here are my side grade (or ahem, down grade) options to other software, I will keep on using it. :D Sent from my car while driving ________________________________ From: Rob Chapman Sent: 9/12/2012 1:13 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: In case you missed it.. So Maurice, A brave effort with your rhetoric but sadly the results you achieved are letting you down. It is exactly what we did not expect or were used to before you are your crew took it upon yourselves to remarket Softimage within the given framework of M&E apps at AD. Do you think what you have done has improved things for the existing Softimage user base? can you account for how Softimage has less penetration now in the market as a fully featured Application to base an entire pipeline off** and has much less 'perceived' value than before you began your current campaign? bravo! didnt you do well!? I believe you have failed quite miserably at your job and should most definitely be more respectful than 'be happy with possible increased sales and deal with it' to those whose value as professionals within this industry are greatly diminished than they were 4 years ago. Are you at all surprised that those you have sacrificed to the greater good that is Maya don't want any further business with Autodesk? **where I work the studio has many hundreds of commercials,3 short movies with countless awards and one was bafta nominated this year - all made with this measly particle plugin and not a single Maya or Max in sight. On 12 September 2012 20:41, Maurice Patel <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com<mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>> wrote: Well, we have said that we are committed to developing and marketing Softimage. It might not be exactly in the way you expect but that commitment has been explicitly stated by myself and others. The discussion has been about our tactics and why we do things the way we do. Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134<tel:514%20954-7134> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Daniel H Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 2:59 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: In case you missed it.. Re: "We are very well aware and I and my team work hard to do the most we can with the resources we have." - Maurice Patel Seriously Maurice... you have any-time access to "freely" speak directly to the main vein of the SI community. Does it cost AD anything to make a simple text statement of confidence on a list, blog, or forum? Is Autodesk really committed to the future and continuing development of Softimage? Is Softimage just being used as acquired tech to be robbed from? It's ok if it's the later, although we won't transition over to Maya, we'll just counter by transitioning to Houdini. Do you really want my continued business Maurice? Does Autodesk really want to keep my business? Should we just get it over with and start giving our hard-earned money to SideFX? 3D software isn't cheap ya know. What would you like us to do? Where's a free statement or two of "confidence" to keep us investing in Softimage? Daniel VFXM No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5265 - Release Date: 09/12/12
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