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It would of course have to be written in NGOish language (pretty vague) but also have core facts down in perfect legalese to help counter the erroneous arguments about the Hague's legitimacy. This is the type of thing that lobby groups do all the time and it is the least we could do in order to assist in the deligitimization of NATO's militarism and its ominous forwarding of a global version of victor's justice. Yesterday the Globe had 60/40 coverage of Canadian prosecutors at the ICTY and Canadian defence attorneys (i.e. Mr. Black) at the ICTY. It probably wasn't the way we would write the article on Mr. Black, but the fact is that his ideas - and those of Jared and the lot of us - are making it increasingly into public discourse. We should keep up and expand the pressure to have these and like-minded voices heard as much as possible, both locally in our own communities and globally. Of course, parallely to this, we should on this list consider more carefully why we are being given more public space, continue to analyze the ways in which are positions are being subtly discredited in the major media, and act to counter these perceptions without compromising our own fundamental positions. Just as NATO has consistently adapted and maintained flexibility in the rhetoric it employs - without changing its eventual, and long-term purpose (i.e. the conquest and domination of the Eurasian landmass, especially Russia and eventually China and India as well), so too must we remain flexible and continue catching them of guard through a nimble yet effective defense that wears them down through unexpected attacks from unexpected quarters (just as Milosevic has been doing all these years). The more outreach we can do, and the more we can obtain public support for our cause (i.e. STOPPING NATO) the better. To this end, "engaging" the newspapers and media personalities in a constructive dialogue - the way imperialist countries do towards the periphery, i.e. with a mix of praise and sterness - may eventually be to our advantage... : ) cheers! Kole In a message dated 16/07/01 18:56:18 Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << From: Sonja Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Opening Pandora's box Date sent: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:53:35 -0500 Sonja Myers 2602 Werlein Houston, TX 77005 Tel: 713 668-4524 Fax: 713 668-4547 Sir, Re: Opening Pandora's box (July 12, 2001). Kudos to Mr. Paul Craig Roberts and your paper for seeing and publishing the facts as they are about the "trial" of the former Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic at the UN "war crimes tribunal." Apart from hypocrisy, the West has so far displayed an astonishing disrespect for everything they supposedly stand for. Above all - for the concept of law. The question is why is the civilized world supporting the Hague tribunal when it does not recognize even the common rules of procedure. In this politically motivated "court" things like sheer "hear-says" are admitted as hard evidence and the right of accused to face his accuser is denied. We did not do that even in the Nuremberg "victor's court"! Where are all the men of law and justice? Where is the outrage? Nowhere! The reason for it is very clear. "There is something rotten in the land" of America. And it starts from the top. From the President. The former President Clinton replaced his failed diplomacy by bombing a sovereign country. Our current president, while continuing the same misguided policy towards Serbs, does it in a "humble way." Just as he promised in his election campaign. Mr. Bush is replacing his non-existent foreign policy with blackmail and extortion, e.g. exerting "pressure". Only, when he and his European allies succeeded in this less than noble action - they decided not honor the deal. The Serbian government has just been told that out of the $256 million reward (due to be paid in August) for kidnapping and delivering Mr. Milosevic to Hague, the $192.3 million will be paid towards Serbia's current debt. The remaining $64.3 million "aid" will be given to Serbia in October. "Too little and too late", says the Serbian prime minister Mr. Djindjic who believes that this will topple his government. So it should! There is a price to pay for doing dirty business with evil partners. Especially when one is selling the country's sovereignty and the nation's dignity - on top of all - for cheap. This lesson will not go unnoticed by the rest of the world or by all decent Americans. I will remember it and know who NOT to vote for the next time we have presidential elections. Respectfully Sonja Myers >> ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]