RE: [EJB] java report article says "bye-bye struts"

[SCHACHTER,MICHAEL (HP-NewJersey,ex2)]

To Anyone It Concerns,

Although I'm relatively new to EJB's, I'm listed on the 1.1 TODO list
to add better EJB support/design patterns.  Ideas that anyone has about
things that they'd like Struts to do with EJB's will definately help me
along with this and help Struts quiet this EJB fud. I'm looking to get
started on this soon, and anyone who wants to is more than welcome to
help me out.

 - Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: java report article says "bye-bye struts"


Hi Craig,

"Although excellent in dealing with Web-based applications, Struts is not
ready to take on EJB."

This is a concern of mine as well but as a newbie to this technology, I am
wondering how to adopt the Struts framework knowing that I will move to
EJB's. Is it worth starting with Struts with the idea of moving to EJB's or
what? Any info on this matter is seriously appreciated!

Thanks
BG...



-----Original Message-----
From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:14 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: java report article says "bye-bye struts"




On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Ritter, Steve wrote:

> Hi Hal, yeah I read the same article and couldn't help but laugh.
> Prashant really made some outlandish comments and hopefully those
> comments will diminish any negative impact his article might have on
> Struts (or, the adoption of Struts I should say).
>
> Craig, if you read this thread it might not be a bad idea to send a
> quick email to the editor's of Java Report and let them know about
> some of the mis-leading statements.  Sounds like their review board
> needs a little re-org.
>

Looks like I'll have to go buy a copy -- I don't pay a lot of attention to
trade magazines in print, because production cycles make them so far out
of date.

Judging from the many thank-you's I've received for the 1.0 final
release, I wouldn't worry to much about negative impact on Struts
adoption.  :-)

> --Steve
>

Craig

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Deadman, Hal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:52 AM
> > To: 'Struts List'
> > Subject: java report article says "bye-bye struts"
> >
> >
> > Clearly there are too many java magazines and they will
> > publish anything. In
> > the July issue of Java Report there is an article titled
> > "Writing a Reusable
> > Implementation of the MVC Design Pattern" by Prashant Sarode
> > from Brience.
> > It's interesting because it has a section title of "Bye-Bye
> > Struts". The
> > section starts out as follows:
> >
> > "While the Struts framework is a powerful idea, it is not yet
> > a product.
> > Although excellent in dealing with Web-based applications,
> > Struts is not
> > ready to take on EJB."
> >
> > There are other gems in the article but I won't reproduce
> > them all here.
> >
> > The premise of the article is that the author went looking for an MVC
> > framework. He found the Blueprint document and liked that but
> > it was too
> > complicated. He then found Struts but apparently it didn't
> > meet his need for
> > "a reusable implementation of the MVC pattern." Prashant must
> > be a hard man
> > to please. I think he wants one framework that can be used
> > for both web
> > applications and desktop applications. Personally I would
> > rather share the
> > model components and let my MVC framworks be a little less
> > abstract and more
> > useful to the task at hand.
> >
> > I couldn't find the article on-line. I just skimmed the rest
> > of the article
> > because it it was hard to concentrate or take it seriously
> > after the Bye-Bye
> > Struts section.
> >
> > Hal
> >
>