Hi Douglas,

In the spirit of accuracy, I have to point out (very gently so as to not cause 
offence) that noon actually occurs when the sun is due NORTH. It is only the 
benighted people who are forced to live in the northern hemisphere who persist 
with the belief of a southerly sun.


Cheers, John

John Pickard
john.pick...@bigpond.com 

Sydney, Australia
33o 39.5’S 151o 06.4’E



From: Douglas Bateman 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 5:31 AM
To: Barbara and Augustine McCaffrey 
Cc: Sundial list 
Subject: Re: Permanent DST

Dear Barbara and Augustine, 

I am flattered that you are following this dialogue, and I’m sure Frank is too.

Frank wishes to wind up the discussion, and this can be my final, and personal, 
contribution.

First of all, it is obvious that Frank is both happy to be a very early riser 
and is prepared to challenge any topic and any assumptions. For example the 
‘effective day centred on 3pm’.

If I rise very early in the summer, I may be enthralled by a sunrise or quiet 
dawn (and wonder if this is the best part of the day). However, I like to have 
8 hours of sleep, AND enjoy long summer evenings, glass in hand. It follows 
that for most days, I am prepared to sacrifice the early hours, and therefore 
my day may run from 7am to 10 or 11pm.  3pm is therefore a nominal middle of 
the waking day. Society in the UK as a whole seems happy with this, and is the 
basic reason for daylight saving time.

When winter approaches, the clocks are put back with many grumbles about the 
darker evenings. Without delving into accident statistics, it is obvious that 
the risks to school children walking or cycling home in the dark are increased. 
It is equally obvious that motorists driving home in the dark after a tiring 
day, and impatient to be home, increase the risks as well, both to themselves 
and others.

I’m sure that these opinions, and similar, may have have caused some countries 
to adopt DST on a permanent basis.

Ultimately we can define time to be whatever we want it to be, and even ignore 
the historical convention of noon when the sun is due south, even if this 
offends some of the sundial enthusiasts.

Glad to know you have enjoyed the fun, even if there is a serious element.

Best wishes, Doug

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