Hi Ron,
I don't know about Alabama but in the UK Cargills have the largest, the
only, oil processing plant in Europe for making Soya oil, so I suspect it is
the same there.They do seem to have the market pretty well stitched up. I
don't know if soybean is a good crop for ethanol production, I would have
thought not ,but this is not based on any knowledge so don't take it as
gospel.
cheers
bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "ronald miller sr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] GE oilseeds - was RE: Palm and coconut oil
> Bob,
> Is there any info out there regarding soybeans for ethanol use. We grow
> millions of pounds here in Alabama
> Thanks,
> Ron Miller
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bob golding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 6:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] GE oilseeds - was RE: Palm and coconut oil
>
>
> > If you look at the yields from oil bearing algae compared to soybean or
> > rape, that is the best area to throw the technology at rather than
> > "improving" current crop yields,and pushing bio-diesel further into the
> > clutches of M--s--t- and Ca-g--l and the like Oil,grain,soybeans, it's
all
> > the same to them. The beauty of bio-diesel as I see it is that it
doesn't
> > need large corporations to make it work. It can be produced locally and
> sold
> > locally. "Economies of scale" is usually a euphemism for larger profits
> for
> > the few. It doesn't have to be that way with boid. With petro diesel you
> > can't just go out and drill for it. You have to invest billions in
> > exploration, so the oil companies keep telling us when asked to justify
> > their 3 million pounds a hour or whatever. This may be true ,but their
> > motivation is profit for their shareholders, not "can I take less from
the
> > enviroment " This does not strike me as a sustainable system. If you
> don't
> > think this is true just ask anyone in Southern Nigeria or Columbia.
> > cheers
> > bob golding
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 5:47 PM
> > Subject: [biofuel] GE oilseeds - was RE: Palm and coconut oil
> >
> >
> > > Joseph Martelle wrote:
> > >
> > > >http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html
> > > >
> > > >Vegetable oil yields tables: Journey to Forever
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >>>What about that Jerusalem artichoke I've read about? Fairly high
> > yielding?
> > >
> > > Not even on the table - loads of carbohydrates (not starch), but not
> > > a lot of oil. Good for ethanol though.
> > >
> > > >What we need is for those genetic engineers to to start looking at
> > soybean,
> > > >rapeseed, peanut, or other oil producing plant and modifying the
genome
> > to
> > > >produce more oil than fruit.Can you imagine doubling or tripling the
> oil
> > yeild
> > > >from rapeseed or soybeans? Has anyone even considered research in
this
> > area?
> > >
> > > Dunno, maybe. But most of it so far seems tied either to securing a
> > > market sector or to securing sales of associated products (eg
> > > herbicides). One looks hard for success stories. RR (Roundup-Ready)
> > > herbicide-resistant soybeans are losing their resistance (leading to
> > > increased use of herbicides, up to 30% more than with non-GE soy,
> > > instead of the decreased use we were promised) as well as their
> > > yields - yields are sagging badly. One doesn't have to look too hard
> > > for outright failures (Starlink), and for side-effects we were
> > > promised and assured were impossible but they're now happening
> > > anyway. And of course the whole technology as it applies to food has
> > > lost its consumer acceptance - I don't think it's the technology
> > > itself people don't trust, it's the companies doing it. These folks
> > > don't have a good record with this kind of stuff, nor with anything
> > > else much.
> > >
> > > So I'm sure what you suggest is possible (what isn't these days?) but
> > > would it work out right? And with what unforeseen costs? Anyway, if
> > > you look through the amazing history of crop development over the
> > > last four millenia or so, you end up very impressed with the
> > > capabilities of traditional plant breeding through selection. It
> > > works, it's safe, and the benefits are widespread and permanent.
> > > "Modern plant-breeding has produced nothing to equal the banana,"
> > > said a modern plant-breeder. The banana is a man-made hybrid,
> > > produced a couple of thousand years ago, by all accounts. It can't
> > > reproduce itself, all bananas are propagated by hand and always have
> > > been. Wherever Europeans went "discovering" new (to them) parts of
> > > the world, the banana was there before them. It's of immense benefit
> > > to billions of people. Really first-class science.
> > >
> > > I'm not knocking GE, it's an immensely promising field, it's a huge
> > > pity (?) that its development is in the hands of these wisdomless
> > > dumbos who've given us so much else to be less than thankful for.
> > >
> > > A frequent question on the list (but recently, regarding newspapers)
> > > is ethanol production from cellulose, a technology that it seems just
> > > isn't there yet, despite all sorts of promising start-ups and so on.
> > > More info here: Ethanol resources on the Web - see Ethanol from
> > > cellulose: http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html
> > >
> > > It seems the perfect case for a GE organism. Well, it was tried. Do a
> > > message archive search for message #2887 at the list website to see
> > > the results - Alcohol-producing GM bacteria "could destroy all life
> > > on earth", 22 Feb 2001.
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/messages
> > >
> > > "Wisdomless dumbos" isn't an exaggeration. The precautionary
> > > principle is sacrosanct, but it's been widely ignored, and instead of
> > > the fruits of GE's great promise we seem to be getting instead a
> > > whole new and worse kind of pollution. If only it were being used for
> > > real benefit in such fields as biofuels. Or to make something as
> > > useful as a banana.
> > >
> > > By the way, RAFI and the Dag Hammarskjold Foundation have published a
> > > booklet called "The ETC Century", on the technological challenges of
> > > the 21st Century. It's very good, covers GE, nanotech and more - pdf
> > > here:
> > > http://rafi.org/web/allpub-display.shtml?pfl=others-list-en.param
> > > RAFI - Rural Advancement Foundation International
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Keith Addison
> > > Journey to Forever
> > > Handmade Projects
> > > Tokyo
> > > http://journeytoforever.org/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Just my wild musings.
> > > > Joe.
> > >
> > >
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