Hi Harmon and All,
You can use 12vdc for most things and an
inverter for most of the rest with a biofuel ICE gen
as backup and for those really heavy things most of us
will never use.
With the right 12vdc units the difference is
about nil.
I've lived happily with 12vdc for 20 plus
years.
jerry dycus
--- Harmon Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> jerry dycus wrote:
>
> > Hi Ed and All,
> > Running a house 24/7 from a generator
> su--s.
> > I tried for a few days and the generator drove me
> > crazy.
>
> Well, yeah, if you're just talking about a
> little air-cooled genset.
> No, you don't want to do that -- not only will it be
> costly and noisy, but
> it won't last very long at all.
> You have to have a nice water-cooled engine
> to start with, then you
> enclose it with about 1 foot or better of insulation
> all around, and a very
> long, water cooled exhaust system. Done right,
> you'll never hear a sound.
> And if the engine is sized right, it will just sit
> there spinning away at
> 1200-1800 rpm, it'll last forever.
>
> >
> > The best way is to run everything from a
> > battery system charged from wind, solar, hydro or
> for
> > last resort a generator a few hrs a day.
> >
>
> Unless you make it a cogen (heat and power)
> unit running on
> biodiesel or woodgas (or both).
>
> > Almost all the household needs can be met
> with
> > 12vdc. Any that can't can be run from an inverter.
> > A good way to make a 12vdc refridgerator is
> to
> > make a top openning box or take a well insulated
> > regular fridge and turn it on it's back and put in
> a
> > 12vdc boat conversion unit to cool it. I like to
> use
> > norcold 12vdc rv/boat fridges that the box has
> rusted
> > out, take the working parts out and install them
> into
> > the well insulated top loading box. I pick these
> > rusted fridges for $25 all the time at flea
> markets,
> > ect. That takes care of the most problematic load.
>
> A fridge is fairly easy, but a real freezer
> -- I mean one big enough
> to seriously put away a lot of your garden and a
> deer or two -- isn't. If I
> was going to try to run a freezer off of batteries,
> I'd build the whole
> thing from scratch, big super-insulated box, and a
> compressor unit from a
> commercial unit with a DC motor. But probably 24vdc.
>
> >
> > 12vdc lights, fans, stereos, tv's, pots and
> > pans,ect are availiable at RV and boat stores
> > everywhere.
> > This kind of system will cost less in the long
> run
> > and be much easier to live with.
>
> Well, except you still have to heat and
> aircondition your house, run
> aircompressors and welders, and all that stuff. So,
> for me, that makes a
> cogen unit seem a whole lot more practical. Do it
> all with power to spare. I
> lived for awhile with a 12vdc system, but it was
> pretty limiting, especially
> with the price of 12v tools, and all the rest.
>
>
> --
> Harmon Seaver, MLIS
> CyberShamanix
> Work 920-203-9633
> Home 920-233-5820
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html
>
>
>
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