Sorry Rod,
I was told that used motor oil had Led in it and since chain saw oil is a product from used motor oil, I assumed that this was the case. I also thought that this was one of the expressed advantages with chain saw oil, you remember the sticky thing. I am sorry if I went wrong on this point. You did not really explain this about "It will still poison the earth". At least not in a way that I understood. I thought that vegetable oil did disperse more naturally and easy than fossil oil. For paint, I thought that Titan is the most used mix, much for coloring reasons. We are favoring paint containing aluminium instead of Titan, mainly because of the large difference in emission factor and the 15-20% energy saving it can give in buildings. Not to talk about a higher sense of comfort. Hakan At 09:59 AM 9/2/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Oils in the environment must diperse to dissapear . > >No oil is healthy for ingestion but if you must use oil for cooking and >lubricating food stuffs ,olive oil is used because of higher polyunsaturates >. Mineral oil is highly saturated and not very healthy to intake . > > >There is no lead in any oils . These were added to paints and fuels only . > >Regards Rod 0297954870 >d:^) > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, 2 September 2002 9:45 AM >To: Stalenberg, Rod >Subject: RE: [biofuel] Thanks Kieth > > > >Rod. > >Very interesting statement, if it is correct. Then many arguments for >vegetable oils will fall apart. I probably eat an equivalent concentration, >of >what is spread on the ground by cutting a tree, with my salad. I am using >olive oil and they say that it is good for my heart. I never tried motor >oil, >but if it is the same, at least it would be interesting to try. > >Then it is remarkable that Husqvarna and other manufacturers of chain saws >recommend use of vegetable oil in Sweden. They have done so for the last >15+ years. If you look at a field of rape or sunflowers, you are saying >that it >is poisoning the world, I did not know that so please expand on this. The >same >can be said about many sources of vegetable oil. I know that Pine trees is >killing under vegetation with turpentine, but I did not know or have the >experience >that oil plants or trees did something similar. Since the concentration is >much >higher in the seed than the spill from a chain saw. > >One of the most serious poisoning from fossil oils, used for lubrication, >is the >content of Led. I did not know that we had the same problem with vegetable >oils. >It is removed from newer gasoline, but it needed newer engines. For >lubrication >oils it is still there, if I am not misinformed. Led is one of the most >poisoning >metals we have. > >I am not a great expert on this issues. Although I did well in physics and >biology, >chemistry was never a strong point. I am trying to learn from this board, >where >I find many that are good on chemistry. I have a good friend who not only >are >chemist but also is a specialist on nutrition. He is running a Spanish web >site on >this issues ( http://chemedia.com ) and I will ask him too. > >Looking forward to your response. > >Hakan > >At 08:49 AM 9/2/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >Vegetable oil is no more biodegradable than mineral in concentrated form . > >It will still poison the earth! > > > >The chain oil needs to have a tackifier in order to stick to blade >otherwise > >you will use too much .If you cannot source such a polymer than commercial > >chain oil will be more efficient and of lower consumption. > > > > > >Regards Rod 0297954870 > >d:^) > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Friday, 30 August 2002 9:42 PM > >To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [biofuel] Thanks Kieth > > > > > > > >Apart from running 2-stroke engines on mix of ethanol/veg oil, the chain > >saw is a different thing. For some decades now, I use veg oil for > >lubricating > >the saw blade. In Sweden, it is now a standard to do that and almost all > >do it. When you buy a chain saw they recommend it now. From a pollution > >point this is very important, since the blade lubrication goes directly to > >the surrounding earth. > > > >Hakan > > > >At 05:57 PM 8/28/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > > great... thanks for the info Keith..Im going to give that one a try.. >Im > > > trying to getaway from non-renewable fuel... so the biodesel and > > > ethonol mix i think i will work on. Thanks again! > > >-- > > > > > >On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:47:49 Keith Addison wrote: > > > >>--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "bendo4000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > Im exploring the idea of ethonol conversions on my farm equipment. >I > > > >> > have found many sites converting standard 4 stroke engines to > > > >>ethanol. > > > >> > I was interested if anyone has had any luck converting 2 stroke > > > >> > lawnmowers , edgers, chainsaws, generators even 2 stroke trail > > > >>bikes. > > > >> > I cant see any problems with the mix .... according to a biodiesel > > > >>mix > > > >> > you can combime ethanol and veg oil.... has anyone out there had >any > > > >> > luck??? > > > >> > > > > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] any info would be much apreciated! even if its > > > >> > just a "it worked for me" thanks for ur trouble! > > > >> > > > >>Can't help re. your ethanol query, however I have heard reports of > > > >>people using biodiesel as two-stroke oil with gasoline (in chainsaws > > > >>etc.) > > > >> > > > >>Mike > > > > > > > >We have had some reports of using biodiesel as 2-stroke oil. It's a > > > >super lubricator and seems to work fine. Older engines might need a > > > >higher mix ratio - one earlier message advised: > > > > > > > >"Old two-stroke engines like yours usually have bronze wrist pin >bearings > > > >and thus require a richer oil mixture to adequately lube that bushing. > > > >Incidentally in a two stroke you will often find the wrist pin bearing > >fails > > > >first from poor lubrication (It is just much harder to get the oil into > >it!) > > > > I would recommend at least to stick with the 20-1 or even 15-1 seeing > >as > > > >biodiesel is a "thinner" oil than normal two-stroke oil. I have no idea > >what > > > >effect bio-diesel would have on the octane of gasoline but it probably > >isn't > > > >so important on old engines because they usually have a very low c/r > > > anyway." > > > > > > > >Actually it turns out biodiesel isn't thinner than standard 2-stroke > > > >oil, or not by much. > > > > > > > >New engines need what, 50:1 or less? Try it and see, start with a > > > >higher ratio than recommended for standard oil. At least one list > > > >member uses biodiesel with his chain saw, no problems when last we > > > >heard. > > > > > > > >You can mix vegetable oil with anhydrous ethanol, and 95% ethanol > > > >will do as well, probably even 160-proof with such small amounts of > > > >oil, and ethanol and biodiesel mix even better, stable mix, so you > > > >should have no problems, no need for blending additives. > > > > > > > >Castor oil was the traditional 2-stroke lube, and it's still used in > > > >racing I think. Expensive though. If I had a 2-stroke now I'd want to > > > >be using ethanol and biodiesel. When I did have a 2-stroke I often > > > >used fuel ethanol in it, no problem. No biodiesel then (that was 40 > > > >years ago). > > > > > > > >Best > > > > > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > > >Biofuels list archives: > > > >http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > > > > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > > >To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail > > >account at http://www.eudoramail.com > > > > > > > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > >Biofuels list archives: > > >http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > >To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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