Maybe if we all just sat down together and sang Kumbaya everything would be OK. Yeah right!
Like it or not, war is an integral part of the human condition. As long as people have something that others want, there will be war. The easiest solution to eliminate war would be a One-World government where everyone has exactly the same standard of living. Since our planet will not sustain 7 billion people in the lifestyle of westerners, that means that to equalize everyone you would have to re-distribute the wealth of rich countries to the citizens of poorer countries. Most westerners are very attached to their "things" and will not volunteer to change their lifestyle without a fight. So your other choices are to: a) eliminate all westerners, b) eliminate everyone else, c) convince westerners that they don't need excessive consumer culture. So Todd, what'll it be? A world totalitarian government, mass murder, or begging, pleading, and cajoling ignorant and apathetic Americans into realizing that they don't need two SUV's in their suburban driveway and Micky D's or Starbucks on every corner? None of these solutions is remotely workable. That leaves the status quo and WAR. Someone once said don't bring a knife to a gunfight. When you fight, you should damn well have the best weapons available. -BRAH -----Original Message----- From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:43 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] Better, Faster & Deader was Armour - was Dirty Bombing Todd, the problem with war is doesn't need two parties who agree to fight. All it takes is an aggressor and you acquiesce or you fight -- the question being "is your freedom worth fighting for?" Better armor means I can survive his attack. Just the logical extension of the untenable position brought about by one antisocial party. So the question is -- how do you head off sociopaths before they make the rest of us participate in their mad schemes? Kirk -----Original Message----- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:44 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster & Deader was Armour - was Dirty Bombing Oh goodie goodie joy joy! We now have a "best part" when it comes to killing people better, faster and deader, or keeping people alive a little longer so they can kill others faster, better and deader. If you guys enjoy all this so much, why not just re-up? No doubt there will always be a demand for your services. And hell! If not? We'll create one! It's all rather doubtful that we'll ever need to put anything more than a containment dike around a biodiesel or ethanol processing tank, much less a sheathe capable of deterring whatever new bunker busting device the brainchildren of mayhem can come up with. But it's comforting to know what Exxon and Raytheon might be coluding on in the background as a pre-emptive weapon against biofuels. Maybe I can put some of this stuff to use in the garden to protect against full frontal assault by groundhogs! Todd Swearingen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Armour - was Dirty Bombing > The best is. DU can be a part of the multi layer, the M1-A1, and M1-A2 > Abrams, incorporate as one of the layers. The problem with ceramics, is > that while they resist shaped charges well, kinetic energy penetrators will > break them up, the more shots they take, the less effective they are. > > Kevlar is good for spall blankets, but, ( for all practical purposes ) be > ignored by sabots, and burned by shaped charges. > > Chombram armor (or a type variant) was a main stay of NATO armor before DU > was used. I don't know all the details, because it is still classified, but > it is basically 3 - 5 layers of heavy plate separated by layers of rods ( I > don't know of what material ) at right angles and layers of ceramic. > > The reason for the rods was to deal with rod type kinetic energy penetrators > ( that basically turn them selves inside out while digging through the > armor ), and it was to make the penetrator change direction suddenly, by > using the path of least resistance technique. If you could get the > penetrator, to suddenly change direction, you would over stress it causing > it to break, and the loss of mass from it breaking, prevented the rod from > continuing through the armor. > > The ceramic dealt with the burning jet from shaped charges. > > Another way to deal with shaped charged would be standoff protection or > explosive plates that disrupted the jet. > > Armor and Anti-Armor, is true evolution in progress, and so it continues. > First one will get the upper hand then the other. I find the race between > Armor and Anti-Armor the be fascinating, and still study it when I have a > chance. > > Greg H. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "paul van den bergen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 17:23 > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Armour - was Dirty Bombing > > > > now we are getting waaay off topic... but I just can't help myself... > > > > the armour used in tanks etc. to defeat projectile weapons... I would have > > thought that it would be a multi-layered composite - like extra heavy duty > > kevlar... with layers including MMC (metal matrix composites)... there are > > plenty of materials with both toughness and strength and high temperature > > properties that are cheap enough for an advaned army... Tantalum wire > wrapped > > ceramic composites for instance would have excellent toughness and > > strength... and resist temoperatures in excess of 2000 oC > > > > > > -- > > Dr Paul van den Bergen > > Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures > > caia.swin.edu.au > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > IM:bulwynkl2002 > > It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. 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