What peculiar thoughts coming from a member of a species that is capable of doing whatever it sets its mind to.
For a start, you might try taking all those negatives in every line of your message and reformulate them into positives. For a second runner up, how about going down to your favorite green retailer and picking up a dozen compact fluorescents, or organize a cooperative purchase amongst your neighbors to get an even less expensive price? Those 12 bulbs (60 watt equivalent) alone would reduce your fossil fuel consumption by 2.7 tons of coal, not to mention keeping $400.00 in your pocket that you could put to use towards other energy and money saving measures, or even paying down principle on an interest bearing note held by "the power structure"). Try multiplying that times 70,000,000 plus households in the US alone. That's a wealth of coal and a wealth of cash.....all achieved by only one simple action - no large outlay for solar panels or wind gennies. No "deprivation" (sniff.... sniff ..... tear..... :-). Imagine what could be done with a little insulation and weatherization, less pressure on a gas pedal, consolidating trips or maybe even foregoing that Coca-Cola habit, or doing away with about half the manure that keeps everyone slaves to other's time clocks. Disaster or its scent, while frequently a motivator, need not be the only prompt to change. And to set yourself up for defeat by waiting for the ship to thrash on the rocks before turning the tiller is a bit of backward logic. The "power structure" can only monopolize and compromise you if you permit yourself to be, and any act contrary to a destructive course is an appropriate measure to take - no matter how small or seemingly insignificant. Unfortunately, those who have been programmed towards excess also tend to live in fear of being without, making them all too easily controlled. And then there are others who despair that the dragon is too big to slay and that their contribution is of too little consequence. They simply opt out rather than pooling whatever contribution it is that they can make. If you want your beliefs to become mainstream, live them...and don't wait for others to tag along. They'll see the benefits or deny them in due course. If not you, who? If not now, when? Never? Or only after disaster and catastrophe? Todd Swearingen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Brah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 9:16 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Better, Faster & Deader was Armour - was Dirty Bombing > > > Well Todd, > > What in your infinite wisdom is the solution to the global monopoly of > power that the rich have over the rest of us? As long as there is > gasoline to sell, soccer moms will buy it at whatever price. We may be > interested in weaning ourselves from petroleum products, but the rest of > the world thinks it's a novelty. The truth of the matter is that until > we actually run out, the mainstream won't seriously consider any > renewable. Wind and solar are sidelines, they don't even comprise 5% of > the world's energy production. Biofuels aren't even a blip on the > screen. What will drive these technologies is a crisis of unprecedented > magnitude. I guarantee that when power companies start turning off the > lights because they don't have fuel for their generators, people will > think about renenwables. Americans don't give a whit about the > environment, and neither does the rest of the world. People aren't > going to switch to green energy because it's nice, or good to the > ecosystem, they'll switch when they can't buy anything else, or when > it's cheaper than what they're using now. As long as there is oil, oil > companies will prevent the price of renewable energy from being > competitive. Even today they lobby against tax incentives for renewable > development; this is in spite of the fact that the largest renewable > development companies are subsidiaries of oil companies. On top of > that, do you think that if we suddenly switched to ethanol or BD that > these same companies wouldn't control that production too? How many > mom-and-pop farms are left, and could they provide enough soy to fuel > 200 million cars? When the gas finally runs out, the oil companies will > simply start farming soy, building wind farms, and lobbying the > government for subsidies. We will still have war, but the emphasis will > be on a different set of resources. The best thing that we can do is > promote biofuels on the grass-roots level, and prepare ourselves for the > worst. > > > > -BRAH > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 12:29 PM > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster & Deader was Armour - was Dirty > Bombing > > > > Nothing like a defeatist and self fulfilling prophecy. > > Your logic is as self defeating and prophetic as well. > > To paraphrase: "We must have war in order to maintain the balance of > economic distribution - helping the richer to maintain and gain new > riches > while the poorer....well.....they stay poorer." > > Yes, we westerners must maintain our "things" and our attachment to > them. > Most definitely a purpose worth killing and dieing for. > > Knock yourself out. The military is just your cup of tea... Travel, see > exciting places, meet new people and kill them (generally before getting > a > chance to meet them). > > And your three terminal options? Sheer genius. Let me guess..... you're > great great grandpappy was General Custer? > > Todd Swearingen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bryan Brah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:19 AM > Subject: RE: [biofuel] Better, Faster & Deader was Armour - was Dirty > Bombing > > > > Maybe if we all just sat down together and sang Kumbaya everything > would > > be OK. Yeah right! > > > > Like it or not, war is an integral part of the human condition. As > long > > as people have something that others want, there will be war. The > > easiest solution to eliminate war would be a One-World government > where > > everyone has exactly the same standard of living. Since our planet > will > > not sustain 7 billion people in the lifestyle of westerners, that > means > > that to equalize everyone you would have to re-distribute the wealth > of > > rich countries to the citizens of poorer countries. Most westerners > are > > very attached to their "things" and will not volunteer to change their > > lifestyle without a fight. So your other choices are to: a) eliminate > > all westerners, b) eliminate everyone else, c) convince westerners > that > > they don't need excessive consumer culture. > > > > So Todd, what'll it be? A world totalitarian government, mass murder, > > or begging, pleading, and cajoling ignorant and apathetic Americans > into > > realizing that they don't need two SUV's in their suburban driveway > and > > Micky D's or Starbucks on every corner? > > > > None of these solutions is remotely workable. That leaves the status > > quo and WAR. Someone once said don't bring a knife to a gunfight. > When > > you fight, you should damn well have the best weapons available. > > > > -BRAH > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:43 AM > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: RE: [biofuel] Better, Faster & Deader was Armour - was Dirty > > Bombing > > > > Todd, the problem with war is doesn't need two parties who agree to > > fight. > > All it takes is an aggressor and you acquiesce or you fight -- the > > question > > being "is your freedom worth fighting for?" > > Better armor means I can survive his attack. Just the logical > extension > > of > > the untenable position brought about by one antisocial party. So the > > question is -- how do you head off sociopaths before they make the > rest > > of > > us participate in their mad schemes? > > > > Kirk > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:44 AM > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Better, Faster & Deader was Armour - was Dirty > > Bombing > > > > > > Oh goodie goodie joy joy! > > > > We now have a "best part" when it comes to killing people better, > faster > > and > > deader, or keeping people alive a little longer so they can kill > others > > faster, better and deader. > > > > If you guys enjoy all this so much, why not just re-up? No doubt there > > will > > always be a demand for your services. > > > > And hell! If not? We'll create one! > > > > It's all rather doubtful that we'll ever need to put anything more > than > > a > > containment dike around a biodiesel or ethanol processing tank, much > > less a > > sheathe capable of deterring whatever new bunker busting device the > > brainchildren of mayhem can come up with. > > > > But it's comforting to know what Exxon and Raytheon might be coluding > on > > in > > the background as a pre-emptive weapon against biofuels. > > > > Maybe I can put some of this stuff to use in the garden to protect > > against > > full frontal assault by groundhogs! > > > > Todd Swearingen > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Armour - was Dirty Bombing > > > > > > > The best is. DU can be a part of the multi layer, the M1-A1, and > > M1-A2 > > > Abrams, incorporate as one of the layers. The problem with > ceramics, > > is > > > that while they resist shaped charges well, kinetic energy > penetrators > > will > > > break them up, the more shots they take, the less effective they > are. > > > > > > Kevlar is good for spall blankets, but, ( for all practical purposes > ) > > be > > > ignored by sabots, and burned by shaped charges. > > > > > > Chombram armor (or a type variant) was a main stay of NATO armor > > before DU > > > was used. I don't know all the details, because it is still > > classified, > > but > > > it is basically 3 - 5 layers of heavy plate separated by layers of > > rods > > ( I > > > don't know of what material ) at right angles and layers of ceramic. > > > > > > The reason for the rods was to deal with rod type kinetic energy > > penetrators > > > ( that basically turn them selves inside out while digging through > the > > > armor ), and it was to make the penetrator change direction > suddenly, > > by > > > using the path of least resistance technique. If you could get the > > > penetrator, to suddenly change direction, you would over stress it > > causing > > > it to break, and the loss of mass from it breaking, prevented the > rod > > from > > > continuing through the armor. > > > > > > The ceramic dealt with the burning jet from shaped charges. > > > > > > Another way to deal with shaped charged would be standoff protection > > or > > > explosive plates that disrupted the jet. > > > > > > Armor and Anti-Armor, is true evolution in progress, and so it > > continues. > > > First one will get the upper hand then the other. I find the race > > between > > > Armor and Anti-Armor the be fascinating, and still study it when I > > have a > > > chance. > > > > > > Greg H. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "paul van den bergen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 17:23 > > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Armour - was Dirty Bombing > > > > > > > > > > now we are getting waaay off topic... but I just can't help > > myself... > > > > > > > > the armour used in tanks etc. to defeat projectile weapons... I > > would > > have > > > > thought that it would be a multi-layered composite - like extra > > heavy > > duty > > > > kevlar... with layers including MMC (metal matrix composites)... > > there > > are > > > > plenty of materials with both toughness and strength and high > > temperature > > > > properties that are cheap enough for an advaned army... Tantalum > > wire > > > wrapped > > > > ceramic composites for instance would have excellent toughness and > > > > strength... and resist temoperatures in excess of 2000 oC > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dr Paul van den Bergen > > > > Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures > > > > caia.swin.edu.au > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > IM:bulwynkl2002 > > > > It's a book. Non-volatile storage media. Everyone should have one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > > > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > > > > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! 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