Hello Keith As a chemist I use lots and lot of ethanol. for testing. And yes I have made Ethanol And yes I do use ethanol fuel. I am all ways looking for new way of makeing bio diesel fuel. I have one that I have been working for about a year I will Be willing to share to formula to see what other think. Best wishes Jim Allen
Keith Addison wrote: > Hello Jim > > > Keith I'm not saying all people don't think And certainly not this > >group here. > >What I am saying is a person on the street. 9 out of 10 people that > >know about > >ethanol > > I wonder how many that would be? Or maybe how few: other posters have > bemoaned the woefully inadequate level of promotion and public > education from the Big Ethanol players like ADM. > > >if you ask them how it is made or what it made out of they will corn > >or grain. > > Most would probably say corn (maize). Certainly not the best crop - > though IMO there is no "best" crop, there are so many factors that > mean much more than yield does when you get down to it, ie on a real > farm at local level (and by "real" farm I mean a mixed farm, not a > monocrop disaster). > > On the other hand, there's currently billions of bushels of surplus > corn in the US - the cheapest thing for Americans to burn in their > woodstoves. Might as well do something useful with it - and hopefully > it might even occur to the Big Guys eventually that there's OIL in it > too that they could use to make biodiesel as well as ethanol. > > But as long as ethanol and biofuels generally are treated as an > agriculture issue, for the benefit of agribiz at everyone else's > expense, and not an energy issue, I don't think we can expect any > sensible behaviour, at least not at that level. At the level most > people here operate at though it's a different matter. > > >I don't know if you heard about the new ethanol plant they > >are building in > >Kansas and all the BS hype they gave it. > > I think we did, there's quite a lot of news in the archive about > ethanol plants in Kansas. Is that the 25-million gallon plant in > Russell? > > >The people that are building > >it had public meetings > >on the plant. They had an oil co rep that told people how they would > >buy the ethanol and mix it with gas. They told the farmers how that > >would pay top dollar for the grain and how everybody wins. > >Bull what they didn't tell is the only winners will be the plant owners > >and the oil co becouse after > >the ethanol is is processed and mixed with Fuel. > >The spent grain will be dryed and used in animal feed. Like Dog food, > >Cat food And Cattle feed > > Especially cattlefeed I think, DDGs. They sell the CO2 as well, to > bottling companies mostly. DDGs make good sense with an on-farm > ethanol operation - with the yeast residues, it's more nutritious > (more protein) than the corn had in the first place. Probably no need > to dry it either. I think it can be a win-win situation when it's > small-scale, like this: > > The Butterfield Still -- This report provides details of the design, > construction, operation and performance of the FSB Energy Fuel > Alcohol Plant. > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_butterfield.html > > Farm-scale ethanol fuel production plant -- the Gildred/Butterfield > Fuel Alcohol Plant, winner of the California Department of Food and > Agriculture's Ethanol Fuel Plant Design Competition: Floyd > Butterfield's on-farm still operation in full, complete with > blueprints. Plant Description, Plant Operating Manual, Plant > Performance Data, Plant Construction Guide, Recommendations, > Appendixes and eight blueprints of the still, cooker and operating > set-up. Operates continuously, 24 hours per day, 10 gallons per hour > of 190 proof ethanol. Includes screw press blueprints and > construction details. With many thanks to Garle A. Webb. > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/Butterfield/butterfield1.html > > >just to name a few. > > I quite often quote Steve Spence saying here once that anything can > be done badly and in 10 years we'll probably be fighting Big Ethanol > tooth and nail like we fight Big Oil today. I think I got it right... > Oh, here it is: "I have a niggling feeling that 10 years from now, > the environmentalists will be fighting the ethanol industry tooth and > nail. anything can be done badly, and I expect the ADM's of the world > will be successful in turning a clean renewable resource into a dirty > unsustainable one......" > > >onec agin I want to say Iam sorry if I made any one > >mad in the Group. > > Naah, not at all, but: > > > > All that said, more discussion on fuel ethanol is welcome. > > For which thankyou! Don't stop now: > > > Do you make and use fuel ethanol? > > :-) > > Best wishes > > Keith > > > >Jim Allen > > > > > > > > > > > >Keith Addison wrote: > > > > > >If people would think Ethanol Can be processed form jusy about any > > > >Vegetation not just corn and grain. Even Grass can yeild Ethanol. If > > > >fermented but your yeild would be lower. Jim Allen > > > > > > What makes you think people don't think? The people here most > > > certainly do think. Do a search in the archives for "ethanol" > > > (without the quotes) and see what you find. Well, here's what you'll > > > find: > > > > > > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?keywords=ethanol&list=biofuel > <http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?keywords=ethanol&list=biofuel> > > > > <http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?keywords=ethanol&list=biofuel > <http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?keywords=ethanol&list=biofuel>> > > > > > > - 3,950 messages dealing with ethanol, and another 560 here: > > > > > > > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?keywords=ethanol&list=biofuels-biz > <http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?keywords=ethanol&list=biofuels-biz> > > > > <http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?keywords=ethanol&list=biofuels-biz > <http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?keywords=ethanol&list=biofuels-biz>> > > > > > > If you explore the other link at the end of every message you > > > receive, this one: > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > ... you'll find a whole ethanol section: > > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol.html > > > Ethanol > > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html > > > Ethanol resources on the Web > > > > > > ... as well as a lot of hands-on fuel ethanol information here: > > > > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html > > > Biofuels Library - Journey to Forever > > > > > > ... including two ethanol fuel manuals, full-text online, and quite a > > > few still designs. > > > > > > All that said, more discussion on fuel ethanol is welcome. Do you > > > make and use fuel ethanol? > > > > > > Alex recently wrote this: > > > > > > >Hi, > > > >I'm a newby. > > > >My question - why people are more interested in biodiesel and not > in an > > > >ethanol? > > > >In my opinion, ethanol is easier to make "from scratch" then > biodiesel. > > > >Regards, > > > >Alex > > > > > > People are interested in fuel ethanol, but more people are probably > > > interested in biodiesel. There are some reasons for that: > > > > > > 1) I doubt many would agree that ethanol is easier to make "from > > > scratch" than biodiesel, and in useful quantities as fuel. > > > > > > 2) Diesels are more economical than spark-ignition engines, more > > > efficient, and, indeed, cleaner. > > > > > > 3) There are some disadvantages to using fuel ethanol in a gasoline > > > motor that biodiesel in a diesel doesn't share: > > > > > > (a) You need to modify the motor for ethanol use, enlarging the main > > > jet, which means you can't simply switch back to gasoline without > > > replacing the original jet, and computerised fuel systems are more > > > complex; blending fuel ethanol with gasoline means the ethanol must > > > be anhydrous, which is troublesome. With a diesel, you can switch > > > between biodiesel and dinodiesel or use any combination without > > > having to do anything. > > > > > > (b) Ethanol is rather corrosive (though not as corrosive as > > > methanol), and engines have to be specially protected if they're to > > > last without damage; there is no such issue with biodiesel. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > <snip> > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > click here > <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=259538.3760361.5018013.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1712983/R=0/SIG=11u38u3s2/*http://hits.411web.com/cgi-bin/hit?page=1374-105951838331032> > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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