<x-charset ISO-8859-1>Hey Gustl, Yah..., I too think Greg underestimates himself.
As for the moral dilemma? I'd have some degree of difficulty wrestling with myself no matter what I did. Take pictures? Forget it. Lend a hand? I'd never be able to forgive myself. Do nothing? Well..., we all know about ghosts. Or at least some of us do. I'd rather live with the ghosts than the consequences of aiding and abetting. Todd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Appal Energy" <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 1:38 PM Subject: Re[2]: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma... > Hallo Todd, > > Thursday, 19 February, 2004, 11:46:14, you wrote: > > >> By choosing to take the picture, you put yourself on a level lower than > AE> him, choosing fame and glory, above human life. > > AE> That's one of the reasons I discerned there to be a third answer - do > AE> nothing. > ...snip... > > Well brother, there are ALWAYS more than 2 options. It is just a > matter of understanding what else one can do. You could realize you > couldn't help him yourself and go for help, eh? As for lower level? > Depends on whether one wishes to play the number game or not. Bush is > directly responsible for ALL the deaths on ALL sides in Iraq and you > would only be "responsible" for one. I don't see how that makes you > lower than him. I have heard a lot of people pissing and moaning about > how so many people had the chance to kill Hitler and berate them for > not doing that. For my money one life is not worth more than another > whether it is a Bush or Hitler or my own for that matter. We don't all > hold to the same morals or ethics. They vary not only from society to > society and culture to culture but from individuals within those > various societies and cultures. And, even within our own groups we do > not all agree as to what is or isn't moral, allowable, etc. In the > end, for me at least, it is between me and God. For others it may be > between themselves and their conscience or whatever, but in the end it > is a personal decision. If you choose to take the picture or do > nothing rather than risk your own neck you have reasons for that > decision and no one else is privy to those reasons. They may be > perfectly valid despite appearances and may be perfectly > understandable and acceptable as well. Besides, you are in a > situation not of your own choosing. I find it very hard to be > judgemental in such a situation unlike one of ones own creation such > as those of folks in the political and financial world whose decisions > force people into situations not of their choosing. > > Greg's opinion is one of many ways of looking at the situation. Until > one has the ability to look into anothers heart however it is just an > uninformed opinion based on assumptions and appearances. > > And a bit from another message: > > >>GH For all his faults, the President is a better man that I, not > >>GH just because he deals with major issues, on a daily basis, but, > >>GH because he *willingly* does it and in general, probably with more > >>GH of a even hand than I would want use. > > This is another unsubstantiated assumption. The president a better > man than Greg? The photographer is in a situation he did not > make. The president is in a position which he sought out. While we > still cannot see into his heart we can see the impact of his decisions > on a daily basis. We can see who is empowered, who is enriched, who > is disenfranchised. If we care enough and are thorough enough we can > find out how A is connected to B is connected to C and so on right > back to A in some measure. Of course he does it "willingly". It not > only gives him enormous control it removes many if not most of the > strictures imposed on the average person. Don't forget, the terms > "national interest", "That is classified." and "You don't have the > need to know." cover a lot of sins. Bush and his running mates in the > political and financial sectors pretty much have a free and unseen > ride unless someone does something so aggregious it cannot escape > public scrutiny and when that happens someone lower on the totem pole > is expected to fall on their sword. As for evenhanded...the only > thing he is evenhanded about is bending over anyone not willing to > play his game and putting a number nine up their (read "our")stern > tubes. I think Greg does not give himself enough credit and way too > much credit to the politico-economic elite. When we talk about > "public service" it would do us well to remember that the bull > services the cow. > > Happy Happy, > > Gustl > -- > Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. > Mitglied-Team AMIGA > ICQ: 22211253-Gustli > ******** > The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, > soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, > without signposts. > C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" > ******** > Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straà… liegen, > daà?sie gerade deshalb von der gewëænlichen Welt nicht > gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. > ******** > Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't > hear the music. > George Carlin > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! 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