Hi again Ed >Hi Keith: Thanks for correcting and providing details! Glad to hear >that you've found this was not the general case and that you are able >to find lots of good oil!
But now I can't find any bad oil! Some people are never happy, eh? LOL! Well, I do some things that work nicely with good oil, but I'd like to test them with bad oil to see how far it goes or how it would have to be adapted. I'm not exactly losing sleep over it, not urgent, everything at our website's been thoroughly tested with very bad oil anyway. Meanwhile, talking of yukky potatoes and donuts, they're discussing biodiesel again on one of the Japanese organic farming lists and somebody objected on the grounds that it's too difficult to collect WVO from householders, and anyway the most eco-friendly thing to do with deep-fry WVO when it's no use anymore is to use it for stir-fries - that way you can use it all up, so you don't create any waste in the first place. :-( How to turn your arteries into a landfill site. Someone else got all enthusiastic and said the first guy's a brilliant ecologist or something. And this on an organics list. Anyway, cemented arteries aside, householders don't account for the lion's share of the WVO production here, nor anywhere else AFAIK, and about 90% of the total goes into the waste stream anyway. As in the US, very vague estimates of how much is actually produced. One biodiesel project here was started by a group of people collecting WVO for recycling at the household level, initially for soap, then eventually for biodiesel when they couldn't sell all the soap. Another project has started WVO collection at household level in Tokyo. It's not a problem: Japan recycles a very high proportion of aluminum cans, for instance, also PET bottles, glass, newspaper, all based on local collection schemes with separation at the household level. We've found householders (housewives) volunteer it, they don't have to be asked. But both these projects with the collection schemes, and all the others, went and got it the wrong way round, focusing on these ridiculous automated processors you get here, costing 7 million yen (about US$70,000) or 10 million or 15 million, producing only a hundred litres a day of sub-standard stuff. A diesel fuel injection specialist who came to one of our bd seminars said he gets biodiesel from one of these places but it's poor-quality, bad for motors. He has to centrifuge it first to get all the unreacted gunk out, and he still doesn't like it even then. I'd previously tested that same stuff and also found it wanting, to my disappointment. I guess that's what happens if you want it to work like a laundry machine, switch it on and go shopping. He liked our biodiesel though, made in a near-zero-cost processor (and not a lot of bother either), got very interested, took some back with him and wants to work with us. We knew there's no biodiesel standard here, and these iffy companies are lobbying to make one (that'll no doubt fit their product), but he told us there's no petro-diesel standard either, what you get at the pump varies widely, usually bad. If you want good fuel you have to go to a marine source. Everyone's frightened of confronting the petro companies here, including major car manufacturers, but I didn't know they had it that easy. Meanwhile MAFF, the Ministry of Agriculture (which also runs a nationwide network of gasoline stations), issued a helpful information leaflet on biodiesel which states, apparently out of thin air, no refs or anything cited, that it can't be used with Direct Injection motors. BS, says the fuel injection specialist. But it's sown a lot of confusion. Ah well... not complaining (not really). We're doing okay, I think we've started a groundswell. There'll be several quality start-ups this year that we've had owt to do with and it's moving at the DIY level, even more so at farm-group and NPO level. Growing interest and not bad follow-through. We have a strategy, it's going well. Best Keith >Ed > >On Monday, March 15, 2004, at 04:44 AM, Keith Addison wrote: > > > Hello Ed > > > >> ...then there were Keith Addison's comments once, about Japanese > >> restaurants not having *any* oil for them (in Japan)....they fry and > >> fry in it till it's all gone, least a lot of them do it sounded like! > > > > Not at all - that was ONE restaurant in Chiba (Tokyo): ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. 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