[You're misquoting me, for a start. I didn't say "the beads don't do
anything" ]
Sorry if I mis-quoted you. That was the take I got on what you said.
But you were wrong. And it was said several times.
Perhaps it was just a misunderstanding
It's not a misunderstanding. If you're going to quote someone back at
them, rather belligerently as you did, it's careless and sloppy not
to check first to see you got it right.
so let me just ask a few simple
questions:
You're going to hold my nose to the grindstone, are you? LOL!
1) What information do you have on the beads working or not working,
other than Meredith's story? Remember, I am asking about the beads
not the manufacturer or distributors.
2) What did you mean by "It's a no-no, and so are they"? Please avoid
the use of pronouns for clarity.
3) When you said "You're quite sure I don't have anything to back it
up?", were you implying that you have something or just commenting on
my suspicions that you do not.
Sorry, I don't like being grilled, nobody does. If you want to leap
to the conclusion that all that means is that I can't answer, go
right ahead. On the other hand, you didn't answer mine, why should I
answer yours? Especially as I've already done so, though you can't
see it.
I told you to keep looking, but it's apparent you can't see for
looking anyway. It's also becoming more and more apparent how it is
that you can look at all that stuff (if indeed you did - glazed over
more likely) and say something like this: "The honesty of the webpage
author is not what is in question", twice terming sheer dishonesty as
"overstatement".
Yes, Andy, you really do only go one level deep, and you leave the
history behind you too, though it's all right there below, no huge
effort to check what was said. Re pronouns and clarity, for another
instance, it was perfectly clear in its context the first time, and
the second time, but you've lost track of the context so you object
to the pronouns. LOL! Go see for yourself. It's all right there,
right in front of your eyes, but you see it as "useless". That's your
problem.
I'll leave you to play with your beads.
Keith
Andy
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 03:24:32 +0900, Keith Addison
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The reason why I keep reading it is you keep saying that there is
something of content there... so I keep trying to find it. No luck so
far.
Uh-huh. Keep trying then.
The honesty of the webpage author is not what is in question.
No? I beg to differ.
What is
in question is your statement that the beads don't do anything.
Ah, so it's my honesty that's in question?
How about your honesty? You're misquoting me, for a start. I didn't
say "the beads don't do anything", I said: "It's a no-no, and so are
they." And if that isn't quite obvious to you by now after your
multiple readings of it, then maybe I SHOULD SWITCH TO ALL-CAPITALS
AND OFFER YOU A 25% SHARE IN THIS $45 MILLION DOLLARS MY DEAR OLD
GRANDFATHER LEFT ME IF ONLY YOU'LL HELP ME GET IT OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
I
have seen nothing that would make me trust the webpage, but I have
seen nothing to demonstrate that EVERYTHING on the webpage is untrue.
No doubt Bush and Co. did at some stage say something about Iraq that
wasn't an outright lie, perhaps inadvertently, like maybe that it was
in the Middle East or something, and you'd buy their war on the
strength of that?
I would not buy a car from them, but I would not make claims about the
beads without anything to back them up.
You're quite sure I don't have anything to back it up?
In doing so you reduce your
credibility down to their level.
Aarghhh!!! The heavens forfend! LOL!
Is that what you want?
... On the other hand I'm not trying to flog you a used car, nor
beads and mirrors, nor anything else either. But, if you say so Andy,
just as long as you're happy. I'll leave you to it.
Keith
Andy
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 00:52:27 +0900, Keith Addison
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Andy
Keith,
I have read those (several times already)
Why? Wouldn't once have done?
and they provided
inconsistancies and flat out wrong information on the website. I am
just not getting where you can jump from "some of the information is
wrong" to "all of the information is wrong". Just because the website
overstates itself DOESN'T mean that there isn't any foundation in
truth. One person not getting it to work using an unknown method does
not mean that the beads do not do anything.
There are compounds that will remove water and FFA from vegoil and
meet most of the claims from the site. For all I know they could be
no better than activated alumina F200 beads that will absorb the FFA
and H2O. All I am saying is that there is not enough information to
claim that they don't do anything.
Do you have anything else to show they do not work?
How do you manage so seamlessly and with apparent conviction to morph
what is outright lying into mere "overstates itself" (which you've
said twice now)? You'd buy a second-hand car from these guys? Well,
go ahead.
Keith
Andy
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 05:22:57 +0900, Keith Addison
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Wow, Andy, do you really only go one level deep? Even M$
Explorer can
do better than that (well, the Macintosh version can anyway - not
that I ever use it).
43433 says:
"User report:
STAY AWAY FROM THE BEADS......the pumps work well but you
can find them cheaper elsewhere, same with the biopass
filter.......STAY
AWAY FROM THE BEADS......!!!
"
No details, therefore useless.
37536 says:
Okay....
Let me spell it out for you then.
A mere three lines down, 37536 says this - they're links,
click on them.
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/14806/
Accusorb beads
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/26341/
"Back yard Bio-Diesel chemists are playing with a toxic time bomb"
Once you've done that and read what will thus be
revealed, then maybe
you'll see why I said this:
What it tells you about the website itself should give you some
indication of what they're trying to sell, quite apart
from all the
sneers at stupid people trying to make that awful stuff known as
biodiesel. Naah. It's a no-no, and so are they.
Useless?
If you say so. Up to you of course, play with beads and mirrors
if you like.
Keith
The same thing, a quote from Adlai & Meredith
No details, therefore useless.
Following the link here is follow-up post by Meredith:
Here she states "I by no means understand the whole
chemical side of
fuels or biodiesel (okay I barely passed chemistry)". With that
statement and references to use of hydrogenated oil I
really question
the way they were used. For all I can tell, they didn't
drive off the
water before using them and tried to use it to add
double bonds to the
oils.
<http://www.forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3243>
"--------------------------------------------------------
------------
------------
UPDATE: In all fairness to the manufacturer, I will state that Bob
Green has been extremely timely with his response to
both our emails.
Here is his latest response:
Sounds like you picked the wrong type of oil to recycle.
Sound like
mcdonalds grease. some oils are so badly hydrogenated
they never get
clear. The best you can do is ad 50% diesel and get them
thin enough
to flow properly. Try getting some good used soy from a Chinese
restaurant or a fish and chips place. Those types of
oils are easier
to work with than the hydrogenated stuff you have.
Margarine starts out as a clear thin oil (corn oil) and THEN they
Hydrogenate it until it gets thick and cloudy and presto you have
margarine.
Some restaurants only use hydrogenated oils and it best
to stay away
from those types of oils.
If you have use this stuff you have you will have to use
a 50/50 ratio
of Diesel to oil.
Do yourself a favor and try to find some other oil
sources. The stuff
you have is the worst type to work with!!!!!!!!!!!
Regards
Bob Green
We will try some different oil when we get a chance. I guess my
biggest gripe is that the ad states that the product
does things that
it obviously doesn't do such as:
"Decontaminates ALL types of vegetable oils up to 97% clean.
Removes all types of water bonded molecules from oils and fats.
Turns mucky and milky waste oil emulsions into clear (non-opaque)
burnable fuels." and on and on for like 20 pages (I just
printed it
out)
At the end of our experiment we had the oil (that was extremely
diluted with regular diesel and warmed up in a hot water
heater) that
looked pretty clear go into the beads. What came out was totally
opaque (the pumps were on the slowest setting).....I by no means
understand the whole chemical side of fuels or biodiesel (okay I
barely passed chemistry) but I do know enough to say that in my
opinion this product does not work in the manner that is
advestised
(and I think I was probably one whom the ad was targeted to;
mechanically inclined but not so chemically aware?).
Anyway, next time
we change our oil in the truck we'll see how the beads handle the
black oil and I will let you all know.....unless anyone in in the
market for some slightly used Acusorb Beads??? :) (I also have a
bridge for sale) :)
Until then feel free to spam away :)
Meredith
"
So unless I missed something (if I did please provide
the link) there
is no evidence that the beads work or don't work in any
capacity. I
agree that the site is overstated, but I see no evidence that the
claims are completely unfounded.
Andy
P.S. Does anyone have Meredith's email address? If I
could ask a few
questions on what was done, perhaps I could determine
what happened.
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:00:27 +0900, Keith Addison
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Andy, Paul
Please read this previous message:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/43433/
... and follow the link there:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37536/
What it tells you about the website itself should give you some
indication of what they're trying to sell, quite
apart from all the
sneers at stupid people trying to make that awful
stuff known as
biodiesel. Naah. It's a no-no, and so are they.
Best wishes
Keith
Paul,
"If it is as the web site selling them tells it" is the
key part of
the statement. I can't seem to get any good
information on them.
Most of the information I have is anecdotal at best.
If I would
beleive any of the works/doesn't work stories - I would
also have to
beleive that meths and lye don't work to make BioD
simply because
someone couldn't do it. I would also have to believe
that there is no
safe way to run WVO in an mercedes 80's diesel and you
can dump WVO
into any diesel and it will work fine at the same time.
I have read
anecdotal stories on all of these, but very little facts
to go along
with them.
Andy
On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:11:57 -0500, Arbuckle, Paul
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have some questions about the Acusorb beads.
what kind of product do they make. If it is as
the web site
selling them tells it why use chemicals and other stuff.
Is the end
product as good a quality as the reaction method?
I found three sights selling these products, all
at different
prices is there more? All were resellers so who
really makes this
stuff?
The web site selling them says they are a good use in the
reaction process. would you use filter and beads
with WVO before
reacting or after to filter and remove water of both?
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Bill Clark
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads
Hello Andy,
A freind of mine is puting in a new stove and has
promised me his
old one. I
intend it for regenerating the beads I have. As
soon as I can
I will grab a
hand full and see what happens at 400 F.
Bill Clark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Cunningham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:05 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads
Hi,
Someone recently replied,
"I did a quick seach and it turned up this
description of them:
http://www.survivalunlimited.com/biodiesel.htm#techno
It probably is a form of silica with the
additional salts.
If I'm not=
mistaken industry refers to this as a molecular sieve."
I doubt that these are zeolites, silica compounds,
molecular sieves
since they have to be regenerated at greater
than 350F.. The
description states that these beads turn black when
heated over that.
Could we ask Bill to take one and bake it at 400F and
see if it turns
black? Please Bill :)
Andy
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