where would the energy come from to decompose the water? They make a major mistake in the article, by claiming ""Hydrogen can be produced by electrolysis, but the high voltage requirements are a commercial barrier." It only takes a bit under 2 volts dc to electrolyze water. lots of amps, but not volts.
This also from Arun Bose "The GT product line intends to develop hydrogen separation technologies to produce industrial quantities of hydrogen at less than $4 per MMBtu. A long-term DOE goal is transitioning into hydrogen economy using domestically-abundant, low-cost fossil feedstocks." btw, the link was bad, it's http://www.netl.doe.gov/newsroom/briefs/rb-0012.html Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter & Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell vehicles > Hello Everyone, > > I have been laying dormant, just reading all the information everyone has > put out. This latest reading has gotten me to the point that I would request > the following information. Given that there is no infrastructure for > hydrogen storage or distribution. Has anyone given any thought to onboard > hydrogen generation. Some researchers at DOE National Energy Technology Labs > and Argonne National Lab have patented a "Method of generating hydrogen by > catalytic decomposition of water" i.e. without electrolysis. ( > http://www.netl.doe.gov/newsroom/ briefs/rb-0012.html ) > > U.S. Patent # 6,468,499 > > Of course this may diminish the thought of using biofuels to power fuel > cell. But theorize, what would be the efficiency rating of onboard hydrogen > generation through a design of this type. > > I may still be an optimist but I thoroughly believe that one day, solar, > wind, biofuel, and other renewable sources will replace the fossil fuels of > today. The question is how much governmental red tape will we have to > endure. > > > > > > > >From: "Darryl McMahon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com > >To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: MIT study skeptical about fuel cell > >vehicles > >Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 10:03:30 -0500 > > > >"groundhogsteve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ><snip> > > > My overall view is that there is no one "energy solution". It is a > > > series of small incremental solutions that cover specific > > > situations. > > > >Agreed. > > > > > I see fuel cells using hydrolysis from renewables as one part. > > > >For some reality on fuel cell potential in transport sector, see: > >http://www.econogics.com/ev/fcevreal.htm > > > > > I see conservation as a big part still > > > >Absolutely. > ><snip> > > > > > The first "beta" version of fuel cell cars are in the customer's > > > hands in California and Japan. The first 30 busses are being > > > demonstrated in Europe. All the fuel cell companies are being really > > > secretive about where they are on platinum loading reduction and the > > > overall cost curve. Ballard is actually out selling real fuel cells, > >not > > > demonstration ones. So I think they will be coming into the mainstream > > > within 5 years. > > > >Don't hold your breath. Government-funded buses and automakers PR cars do > >not > >constitute a solution. > > > >Darryl McMahon > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > Biofuels at Journey to Forever > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Biofuel at WebConX > http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm > List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> DVD Rentals with No Late Fees - Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ZKLNcC/pEZFAA/i5gGAA/9bTolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
