Chris,
Look at my mail to Bob.
The Vikings had a regular and well established trading relationship
with Miklagård, which was Constantinople. This is proven in many
ways, by written "sagas" and also by history from that part. When
they visited Constantinople, it was special rules for them and they
were not allowed to be a larger group or to have arms, which also
is documented.
All the links are there, it is possible and Swedish historians have
started to accept the links and their probability. They do not regard
it as speculative. It is not much more that I can say off or on line,
but if you have substantial evidence that the theory is wrong, the
we can continue off line.
Hakan
At 02:16 AM 6/27/2005, you wrote:
hakan,
i wasn't disputing everything you suggest.
what i do have trouble with, and correct me if i'm misinterpreting you, is
the notion that the vikings could somehow be descended both from the roman
legions and the turks. could there have been contact between the romans and
scandinavia? possibly a trade relationship? certainly, but i find this
questionable because the vikings would have had little if anything to
offer that the
romans weren't already getting from the peoples of britania, and western and
central europe. it seems more likely that scandinavian goods would have
found
their way to the romans indirectly, via trade with the germanic peoples of
central
europe.
but even if we suppose that there was direct trade contact, i highly doubt it
could have had sufficient regularity or depth to be of significant
cultural/technological/political impact, with the possible exception of
their longboats.
but even this i've never heard suggested, and it seems about as likely that
this influence could have come from phoenician traders. that is, if the
viking longboat wasn't an entirely autoctonous technology.
there may be more to the turkish/turkic relationship, because the history
gets a little more complex. but it seems highly speculative in the least
if not
utterly baseless and fanciful, to suggest that the connections are anything
but extremely remote in some cases, and superficial in others.
anyway, except for the fact that (as was pointed out earlier in this thread)
everything is connected to everything, we seem to have gone pretty far afield.
perhaps you'd like to continue this discussion off-list?
-chris b.
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