Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

[Michael Redler]

Doug wrote: "There is socialism and there are social programs, they aren't the same thing."

One was born from a lack of the other. When it is organized and a manifesto is written to represent it's principles, it is no less important to recognize it's origins.

Doug wrote: "Impossible for the lone individual to protect their own basic rights."

That's easy enough to believe (unless you're an anarchist).

"Bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression."

--Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural, 1801

Mike

Doug Younker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Earl,

Impossible for the lone individual to protect their own basic rights.
Recognition of that is way we attempt the rule of law. There is socialism
and there are social programs, they aren't the same thing. The radical right
is depending on a sufficient number of persons not understanding that, while
they take more than their share, of this planet's resources. Likewise they
depend on a negative connotation of beauracracy, beauracrats are everday
people working for a living. Demonization and fear, two tools of the
radical right.
Doug, N0LKK

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> Dale,
>
> I don't mean to deflate your dream, but why do we need the government
> beauracracy (of which the UN most certainly is) to guarranty these basic
> human rights? Shouldn't that be the responsibility of every person on the
> planet to protect his or her basic rights?
>
> It seems to me that be requiring wealthy nations to "donate" any portion
of
> their GDP is just another form of socialism, except on a global scale.
>
> Your other point about not getting involved with those poorer nations is
> right on the money. The biggest terrorism problems in the US today are a
> direct result of our meddling in other nations' affairs. If we spent less
> time and money on controlling other countries, we could spend less time
and
> money on counter terrorism measures. Maybe then my taxes will go down and
I
> would be able to donate my own money to those poorer nations. But that,
my
> friend, is truly just a dream.
>
> Regards,
>
> Earl Kinsley
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ----------------------------------
> "That government is best which governs least." -- Thomas Paine
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dale Seto
> To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
>
>
> This is a very wise and informed comment that Keith made, and I totally
> agree. I hope someday that the UN will ingrain and apply four basic rights
> for every human on this planet, and they are;
> 1) access to food
> 2) access to clean water
> 3) access to shelter
> 4) personal security
>
> I also beleive that all wealthy countries be required to donate just 2% of
> their GDP to a fund to help accomplish this. Just think of all the extra
> money we are spending on counter terrorism that could be put towards this
> goal. It would also thwart terrorism because terrorists would not be able
> to get a foothold or seek refige in the countries that our goodwill has
> touched. But our help must be unconditional. We must not get involved, or
> tell their country how to run it. All we would ask is that they be
peaceful
> and abide international law. I know that this is just pie in the sky and
> whishfull thinking, but its just a dream of mine.
>
>
> Best wishes, Dale
>
>
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