Hi Hakan,
You are talking about the chicken hawks. Bush II had poppy get him out of any possible trip to Viet Nam. Rummy never went to my knowledge and Mr VP got his wife knocked up to extend his deferment. Powell served and was shot at. He's seen first hand what war is all about and of course is no longer in the administration. I can't tell you much about Condi except she used to work for Chevron. They named a tanker after her. Most of the present administration is tied to big oil or big energy either directly of indirectly. It wouldn't surprise me if $100,000 or so goes into somebody's bank account each time one of our soldiers gets killed or maimed. You can be sure that account does not belong to the poor soldiers family.
Tom
From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:36:27 -0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Tom,
I had no idea that Bush jr had been shot at and
seen friends die for America. Nobody told me that
Rumsfelt had an extinguish military career, but
it is possible. Powell, that I like a lot, I know
was a military, but it looked like he had trouble
with his colleagues, maybe he is the one who
provided for the shooting at Bush? This girl who
got Powell's job, looks like a military, but I
thought that she was a university professor. You
have to excuse us foreigners who know so little about US leaders.
Then the view about fuel economy is
understandable, anything with little less mpg
than a Hummer, must be a wonder of efficiency.
Anything with better insulation than a tent, must
look as the technology that would save us from
Global Warming. Considering the living
conditioning in military tents, must also make it
difficult to belive in the concept of Global Warming.
If they come from Corporations, hmmm, I do not
like to be sued for telling my honest opinion or
my experiences from US corporate leaders. It does
however explain the deep rooted habit of lying to
the people. Wonder from which industries they are coming?
Hakan
At 11:20 16/08/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Hakan,
>
>We get those wonderful leaders from corporations
>and the military. The ones in the military are
>actually the pacifists since they´re actually
>been shot at and seen friends die for America Inc.
>
>Tom
>
>
>----------
>From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 06:04:07 -0300
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
>
>
>Bob,
>
>Thanks for your concerns about me.
>
>Yes you are right, there are many who has the capacity to compensate
>lack of direct experience, with education and enough imagination.
>There are many good places in the world, as I said, and we "only"
>have to work hard on making more of them. To belive that this in any
>way can be done with the help of weapons, is utterly stupid. It is
>nothing that will be more destructive and more hated, than
>"liberators" that has killed members of your family and/or your
>friends. As I now live in Spain and married with a Catalan women, I
>often see that the effects of the 1936 to 1939 civil war still are
>lingering. I heard about it before, but did not think that it would
>be so real for so many, who's parents were not even born at that time.
>
>To belive that US will get out of Iraq, without being deeply hated
>the next 50-100 years, is not only ignorant, but also utterly stupid.
>After all they have personally killed around 300,000 Iraqis and was
>behind the Iraq - Iran war, with around an other million dead.
>History will not be kind to US, the Americans and President Bush.
>Where do the Americans get those unreal and sick leaders from,
>including guys like Rumsfelt? It is amazing!!
>
>Hakan
>
>At 03:27 16/08/2005, you wrote:
> >Hakan,
> >Well said, and most appropriate. But may I respectfully note that
> >like all generalizations, there are many exceptions to the general
> >rule (that lack of international experience leads to a closed mind).
> >Example: Although I, along with many of my friends, have zero
> >international living experience (except through reading and the
> >media), and although we do enjoy living in the US with all its
> >faults (of which we are painfully aware), there are many other
> >countries I think we would enjoy living in - Sweden might be such
> >an enjoyable place, for instance. Far from finding Sweden's
> >socialist form of government abhorrent, there are many of us who
> >would like to see more of it in the US. There's a world of
> >difference between chauvinism and patriotism
> >
> >I do read and enjoy your perceptive and sensitive writings, and I do
> >want to tell you how sorry I was to learn of your experience with
> >the criminal elements. May this be your last contact with them.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Bob Adams
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Hakan Falk"
> >To:
> >Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 1:00 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Earl,
> >>
> >>Why I asked?
> >>
> >>I am Swedish and have lived and worked in 8 countries including US,
> >>worked in 25 and visited 60+ more. I found many things that I liked
> >>and some things that I disliked in all of them. I can make myself
> >>understood in 5 languages, not including the Danish and Norweigian
> >>which are very close to Swedish.
> >>
> >>A big majority in all countries, are very proud of their country
> >>and would not want to live anywhere else. The less international
> >>experiences they have, the more staunch their opinions are. The
> >>Americans do not want to live anywhere else and especially not in a
> >>country like the "socialist" Sweden. The Swedes do not want to live
> >>anywhere else and especially not the undemocratic US, where money
> >>is the only power. Yet, I have never found any countries that has
> >>so much in common as US and Sweden, this even if Sweden have a
> >>higher general living standard, according to UN and US statistic.
> >>That is also why Americans who live in Sweden generally like it
> >>very much and the same for Swedes who live in US.
> >>
> >>What I want to get to, is that you should avoid to have those
> >>unqualified opinions about other countries. It is amazing how a
> >>little bit international experiences can make you more humble and
> >>appreciate that we are all people that basically like each other,
> >>once when we get the opportunity to meet. There are also many very
> >>good places to live, independent of what you
> think of their political label.
> >>
> >>Visited Vietnam last year and it was amazing how Americanized and
> >>unsafe the south still was, compared to the north. As a whole, it
> >>was a very positive experience and interesting to see the places
> >>that I for years followed in the news. They will develop fast and
> >>in a positive direction.
> >>
> >>Hakan
> >>
> >>
> >>At 17:16 13/08/2005, you wrote:
> >>>Keith,
> >>>
> >>>I think you are confusing what I said. I perfectly agreed with
> >>>you that the U.S. is not a charitable organization, and does take
> >>>much more than it gives (here and abroad). I can't speak for
> >>>other developing nations, as I have only lived in the U.S.
> >>>(answering Harkan's question in another email). But I expect you
> >>>are correct about that too. And the end result is an even bigger
> >>>gap between the haves and the have-nots.
> >>>
> >>>The charity I was referring to is when individuals like your or I
> >>>give something (money, food, clothing, medicine, etc.) to someone
> >>>else, without expecting anything in return. It would be nice to
> >>>know that if I send a dollar to help provide clean water to a
> >>>village in Sudan, that 90 cents isn't being sucked up by some U.S.
> >>>corporation before it even gets there.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>Earl.
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Addison"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>No it is not charity, and this is the point you miss, I hope it's
> >>>>through ignorance rather than convenience, but I think it's
> >>>>already been pointed out to you. There is LOTS about it in the
> >>>>archives, and the gist of it is that all the industrialised
> >>>>nations, the so-called "developed" nations, and especially the
> >>>>US, take VERY much more than they "give" to poor countries, and
> >>>>even the "giving", in the form of "aid", is often or usually tied
> >>>>to benefiting commercial interests in the donor countries rather
> >>>>than benefiting poor people at the receiving end as alleged. All
> >>>>they get dumped on them is harsh
> neo-liberalism and yet more imported poverty.
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