Fred Finch wrote: >Clif, > >No flames from me just... > ><snip> > > > >>Where is the outrage at the coverage of the war in Iraq ? >> >> > >Coverage is adequate and the news is not very good. > > http://chrenkoff.blogspot.com/2005/07/good-news-from-iraq-part-31.html http://unix.dfn.org/good_news_iraq.shtml http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/baroneweb/mb_030726.htm http://www.command-post.org/2_archives/019738.html http://tampatrib.com/opinion/MGBQKJP0MCE.html (A very thoughtful look at the reasons behind the current coverage.)
> > >>Have you heard one positive story on NPR or anywhere else ? >> >> > >When there is no good news what is the use of making a fake report? > > Please see above. > > >>Where is the outrage at the fine work Michael Moore and numerous others >>are doing at peddling lies ? >> >> > >Lies or opinions? It seems that Pat roberston can have them but not >Michael Moore? Cite Links to the lies and we'll talk... > > http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/ http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/ http://www.factcheck.org/article131.html http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/ > > >>Where is the outrage when fine mothers, sisters, sons and fathers who >>are proud of the service their sons and daughters are offering in the >>Armed Services are not given any voice and one heartbroken mother is >>given weeks of press coverage because she is against the war in Irag ? >> >> > >It seems that President Bush and Faux Nooze is giving them voice, but >who is listening? > > Good point. But then again public opinion is usually shaped by what they are told in the most strident tone and by the most numerous and loudest voices. > > >>And finally a point that may need some attention by the "Men of God" >>judicatory committee on this list : >>Where is the outrage at allowing Muslim clerics right here in America to >>daily call for the UTTER destruction of not only Americans who believe >>that Allah may not be the way, but also any other infidels? >> >> > >Again, cite a link and we'll talk. > >For every link you bring, I will find 10 Muslim cleric statements >denouncing those statements and the war and the 9/11 attacks. > > http://www.leaderu.com/focus/islamandjihad.html (I cannot speak or write as eloquently as this summary.) > > >>All I'm saying is that I for one feel compelled to be very conscious of >>my own "blind spots" as I am chief among those who can stand only by >>grace ..... >> >> > >Yet you make it point to attempt to point out the "blind spots" of others. > >A suggestion perhaps, work on your own "blind spots." > >IMO, Peace is not a blind spot. > >fred > > I agree. I was too harsh in my statements. I apologize for the tone of them. Please forgive me. It seems the log in my eye was blinding me and needs some attention before I work on the perceived speck in others. I too feel peace is a very good thing however perhaps we should be considering "what kind of peace" we are talking about. A fellow seeker of the truth, Clif > > > >>Just a thought to further take this list into a land far away from >>renewable energy sources. >> >>In need of clarity, >>Clif >> >>TarynToo wrote: >> >> >> >>>Amen Robert! >>> >>>While not a christian, I've read many of the major scriptures of the >>>world. While reading the Robertson thread, I was thinking how badly we >>>needed to hear the "Who would Jesus hate? Who would Jesus kill?" >>>message. >>> >>>Your message is so on target. The most important teaching we receive, >>>not just from Jesus, but from almost all prophets is "Deeds are greater >>>than words. Love the least, as you love the great. Power demands >>>responsibility." If we are to follow their teachings, we must not tend >>>the church, we must tend our hearts and minds, and the whole world. >>> >>>All it takes to distinguish the truly good from the hypocrite, is to >>>attend to their actions more than their words. How sad that so many of >>>us are deceived by the transparent and self-serving lies of our >>>political, spiritual, and commercial masters. >>> >>>We are slaves, the truth will set us free. >>>Thank you, Taryn >>>ornae.com >>> >>> >>>On Aug 26, 2005, at 11:13 AM, robert luis rabello wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>BT wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Greetings fellow revolutionary alchemists! >>>>> >>>>>The question I have is, How do we help separate the good-hearted >>>>>followers from their devious leaders? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I've found the best thing to do is go back to the scriptures from >>>>whence Christians are supposed to derive standards for their behavior. >>>> This is especially true when the argument of "you shouldn't judge >>>>anyone" comes to fore. Now, Jesus himself said this, in the second >>>>part of Luke 12: 48: >>>> >>>> "From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and >>>> >>>> >>>>from one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." >>> >>> >>>> Leaders, who ought to know better, are far more accountable than the >>>>average person. When Jesus confronted the leaders of his day, he >>>>seldom had pleasant words for them for this very reason. Here is an >>>>example: >>>> >>>> "Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and >>>>its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. >>>>(There's a biofuel angle in there!) You brood of vipers! How can you >>>>who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart >>>>the mouth speaks. The good man brings good things out of the good >>>>stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil >>>>stored up in him. But I tell you that men will have to give account >>>>on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For >>>>by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be >>>>condemned." (Matthew 12: 33 - 37) >>>> >>>> So, no higher authority than Jesus Christ himself condemns reckless >>>>rhetoric, and we who call ourselves Christians should not soft pedal >>>>this kind of behavior either. A man like Pat Robertson, who CLAIMS to >>>>be a Christian, should have read statements of this nature and taken >>>>them to heart long ago. When I complain about this kind of problem, I >>>>do so because it degrades the standing of the Christian faith in the >>>>eyes of nonbelievers who are watching. If I, a nobody, get upset when >>>>the name of God is blasphemed in this manner, shouldn't genuine >>>>Christian leaders roundly condemn the same behavior? After all, this >>>>is what the scriptures admonish: >>>> >>>> "Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you >>>>of wrongdoing, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day >>>>he visits us." (1 Peter 2: 12) >>>> >>>> And elsewhere: >>>> >>>> "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there >>>>WILL BE FALSE TEACHERS AMONG YOU. (Emphasis is mine.) They will >>>>secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Sovereign >>>>Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many >>>>will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into >>>>disrepute. In their greed, these teachers will exploit you with >>>>stories they have made up . . ." (2 Peter 2: 1 - 3) >>>> >>>> The fact that Pat Robertson calls himself a Christian disgusts me for >>>>this very reason. He's not following the example of Jesus Christ, so >>>>by his actions, he denies Christ. If he's impulsive and can't control >>>>himself, he has no power from God. A person who calls himself a >>>>Christian is one who should know God very well. Therefore: >>>> >>>> "We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The >>>>man who says, 'I know him', but does not do what he commands is a liar >>>>and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God's love >>>>is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: >>>>Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did." (1 John 2: 3 - >>>>6) >>>> >>>> So then, if we examine what Jesus did, we will find a man who never >>>>sought harm for anyone else. He was a man who lived by high principle >>>>and spoke very carefully. He did not advocate violence, he did not >>>>stir up a mob to overthrow the Romans, he did not seek political power >>>>or financial gain. Therefore, if you see someone who claims to be a >>>>Christian doing these things, you can KNOW that he's a liar. Further >>>>on, you can read this: >>>> >>>> "Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no >>>>murderer has eternal life in him." (1 John 3: 15) >>>> >>>> Now, I know that these faux Christians will say "Those verses only >>>>apply to your Christian brother," because that's what they're >>>>programmed to say by the false teachers they follow. But the >>>>principles that Christians should follow transcend this worldly >>>>attitude. Once again, here's what Jesus actually taught: >>>> >>>> "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your >>>>enemy. But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who >>>>persecute you that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He >>>>causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the >>>>righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what >>>>reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And >>>>if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? >>>> Do not even the pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your >>>>heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5: 43 - 48) >>>> >>>> The principle outlined above is one of social justice. Anyone who >>>>calls himself a Christian can be characterized as one by considering >>>>how he treats his enemies and others who do not love him. Pat >>>>Robertson seeks political power. Pat Robertson called for a team of >>>>"specialists" to take out Chavez. Pat Robertson does not behave in >>>>harmony with the principle outlined in the above passage. I dare say >>>>that had there been no hue and cry over the reckless call for killing, >>>>Pat Robertson would NOT have apologized for his remarks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>robert luis rabello >>>>... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Biofuel mailing list >>>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >>> >>>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >>> >>>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
